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Author Topic: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues  (Read 153917 times)
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« Reply #1470 on: March 22, 2019, 11:12:18 pm »

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST's to go is IET is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The ability to add a buffet is an "essential requirement" of the IET fleet. I cant however see the present management of GWR having buffets fitted.
They have been trying to do get rid of them for years, and the down grade from proper intercity trains to regional DMUs was the perfect opportunity. They have invested a lot of effort into trying to persuade us that no one wants a buffet, and retrofitting a buffet would be an admission of defeat/admission that they were wrong.
I consider it possible that we MIGHT get a buffet in the future, but only under a different TOC, or with some fairly drastic changes to the present management structure.

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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1471 on: March 23, 2019, 11:26:48 am »

Whether it is the current operator or a future one, the DfT will still need to be convinced too.
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« Reply #1472 on: March 23, 2019, 03:51:59 pm »

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST's to go is IET is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The ability to add a buffet is an "essential requirement" of the IET fleet. I cant however see the present management of GWR having buffets fitted.
They have been trying to do get rid of them for years, and the down grade from proper intercity trains to regional DMUs was the perfect opportunity. They have invested a lot of effort into trying to persuade us that no one wants a buffet, and retrofitting a buffet would be an admission of defeat/admission that they were wrong.
I consider it possible that we MIGHT get a buffet in the future, but only under a different TOC, or with some fairly drastic changes to the present management structure.



Maybe, their market research and the financials add up to not needing a buffet?
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« Reply #1473 on: March 25, 2019, 05:22:50 pm »

I've seen two running on diesel between Didcot and Reading today. Is there a problem with the power, or the trains?
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« Reply #1474 on: March 25, 2019, 08:39:03 pm »

With the trains - from no restrictions a couple of weeks back there are now several.  It makes little difference now, but come the accelerated schedules in December it will.
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« Reply #1475 on: March 26, 2019, 08:14:09 am »

It does make a difference now.  They donít arrive early.  Grin
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« Reply #1476 on: March 27, 2019, 05:10:32 pm »

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST's to go is IET is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The 17.33 to pgn is now a 9 car 802 from last monday.

[/url]Paddington 1700 27 March 2019 by Robert, on Flickr[/img]

If it is an IET and not a HST why is it sitting up on the Crossrail depot reception roads and not coming out of the Hitachi depot. For some reason the image is there but will not show.
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« Reply #1477 on: March 27, 2019, 05:45:42 pm »

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST's to go is IET is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The ability to add a buffet is an "essential requirement" of the IET fleet. I cant however see the present management of GWR having buffets fitted.
They have been trying to do get rid of them for years, and the down grade from proper intercity trains to regional DMUs was the perfect opportunity. They have invested a lot of effort into trying to persuade us that no one wants a buffet, and retrofitting a buffet would be an admission of defeat/admission that they were wrong.
I consider it possible that we MIGHT get a buffet in the future, but only under a different TOC, or with some fairly drastic changes to the present management structure.



Maybe, their market research and the financials add up to not needing a buffet?

It seems difficult to find the people who took part in the Market Research and also those in respect of the seats
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« Reply #1478 on: March 27, 2019, 06:04:58 pm »

The "market research" to prove that buffets were no longer wanted was done AFTER the new DMUs had been specified without buffets, so it seems clear what answer was needed.

I cant speak for the seats, but suspect some similar underhand tactics AFTER the ironing board seats had been chosen, to prove that people like them.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1479 on: March 27, 2019, 07:51:54 pm »

Funny how Virgin (now LNER) came to a different conclusion, yet typical journey times are probably not that different, especially when compared with the south west route.  Isn't it ironic that although we all suspect the DfT was behind the decision, it's the state run LNER which will have buffet cars on its services.
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« Reply #1480 on: March 28, 2019, 01:14:41 am »

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST's to go is IET is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The 17.33 to pgn is now a 9 car 802 from last monday.

[/url]Paddington 1700 27 March 2019 by Robert, on Flickr[/img]

If it is an IET and not a HST why is it sitting up on the Crossrail depot reception roads and not coming out of the Hitachi depot. For some reason the image is there but will not show.
5C91 is a shunt move from Paddington to Paddington via the reception line near Old Oak. Today (well, yesterday now) it was 802102. It's basically a move to get the set out of the way for a bit.
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« Reply #1481 on: March 29, 2019, 06:04:04 pm »

Going to be cozy on the 1803 to Penzance tonight, just a five carriage job. Doubt there will be a restaurant on this service tonight.
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« Reply #1482 on: March 29, 2019, 06:13:45 pm »

Going to be cozy on the 1803 to Penzance tonight, just a five carriage job. Doubt there will be a restaurant on this service tonight.

Looks like they found another five from somewhere



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« Reply #1483 on: March 29, 2019, 07:39:51 pm »

Conflicting info on Tiger. CIS showing it down as 5, Staff view as you say down as 10.
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« Reply #1484 on: March 29, 2019, 07:46:05 pm »

Conflicting info on Tiger. CIS showing it down as 5, Staff view as you say down as 10.

Interesting - just looked at Exeter St Davids and the two versions still do not agree.  I am pretty confident it is 10 in reality.  You would think it was all driven from the same database.
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