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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 17:46:56 » |
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What bugged me about First getting this franchise was their franchise application boast along the lines of "we have local knowledge because we've been operating trains in this area". Hmmm. What precise local knowledge did they have?
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 20:25:08 » |
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Local knowledge? well they used to run Great Western Trains before which just happened to be pretty local
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 23:03:08 » |
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Well I thought MTLS▸ was instrumental in getting people (and in particular Govt) to wake and notice what was going on. But I think they are wrong in continuing to campaign for FGW▸ 's removal, as the problem was as much the government's making, although FGW then screwed it up badly.
I have to agree with John R, sorry Vacman. When the national media report our problems they always mention the fare strike. Well done to the people who did take part, they have to take some credit for the extra carriages which are now being promised. As previously mentioned in other threads FGW won't lose the franchise whilst they still agree to pay the govt all those payments (sorry they fleece the passengers in order to pay the govt). |
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2008, 16:29:07 » |
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And who first devised such a stupid system for running a public system.
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The Government perhaps?
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vacman
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2008, 17:06:40 » |
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Well I thought MTLS▸ was instrumental in getting people (and in particular Govt) to wake and notice what was going on. But I think they are wrong in continuing to campaign for FGW▸ 's removal, as the problem was as much the government's making, although FGW then screwed it up badly.
I have to agree with John R, sorry Vacman. When the national media report our problems they always mention the fare strike. Well done to the people who did take part, they have to take some credit for the extra carriages which are now being promised. As previously mentioned in other threads FGW won't lose the franchise whilst they still agree to pay the govt all those payments (sorry they fleece the passengers in order to pay the govt). Sorry, but your missinformed, the wheels were in motion for the extra units from Arriva in November last year, the fare strike was in January this year, yeah, nice to see youare condoning the people who verbally assaulted the gateline staff at various stations, the fare strike that all the herberts jumped on the back of to faredodge on another day. |
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 17:14:47 » |
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precisely Vacman.....
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Steve Bray
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 17:41:09 » |
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Local knowledge? well they used to run Great Western Trains before which just happened to be pretty local
Precisely - so how come they get so much wrong with their 'local knowledge'? Why didn't they anticipate all the overcrowding on Bristol services and Thames Valley services? Droves of people didn't suddenly start using the trains on the day they started the entire GW▸ franchise. |
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2008, 18:07:06 » |
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Gosh, quite a few responses to my post!
I have to say, that MTLS▸ 's comment about FGW▸ loosing the franchise within 6 months is absolute rubbish.
Look- they are getting back on track. New 158s coming soon, with an HST▸ following after.
And in a way, the 180 being sent away is getting FGW an HST (via Hull Trains and East Midlands Trains!).
I have to say, for the first time, I am optimistic....
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vacman
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2008, 18:52:55 » |
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Gosh, quite a few responses to my post!
I have to say, that MTLS▸ 's comment about FGW▸ loosing the franchise within 6 months is absolute rubbish.
Look- they are getting back on track. New 158s coming soon, with an HST▸ following after.
And in a way, the 180 being sent away is getting FGW an HST (via Hull Trains and East Midlands Trains!).
I have to say, for the first time, I am optimistic....
I think they deserve a chance to prove themselves, one last chance. My gripe is with the way MTLS behave, if FGW became the best operator in the world overnight then MTLS would find fault! |
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2008, 20:40:12 » |
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Steve......at risk of repeating something that has been stated about 100 times on here... FGW▸ bid to run the Franchise on information from Daft... you will run this many trains using this amount of Rolling Stock.
Basically they both screwed up and underestimated demand.
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2008, 20:56:26 » |
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FGW▸ bid to run the Franchise on information from Daft... you will run this many trains using this amount of Rolling Stock.
Basically they both screwed up and underestimated demand.
Just about sums up the whole thing nicely I think. |
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2008, 10:07:00 » |
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Steve......at risk of repeating something that has been stated about 100 times on here... FGW▸ bid to run the Franchise on information from Daft... you will run this many trains using this amount of Rolling Stock.
Basically they both screwed up and underestimated demand.
MTLS▸ are correct in that there has been NO Service Improvements, with more passengers travelling FGW need to run MORE Trains with more stock just to reinstate the Wessex Days level of Service, and to restore to earlier levels is NO Improvement. One small improvement made by FGW is the installing of Ticket Barriers at main Stations, but these should have been installed in the 1990's, but never were because whilst First may have seen a small rise in Fares NE would have seen a much bigger raise from collected local fares, that just stinks. |
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vacman
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2008, 19:11:09 » |
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Steve......at risk of repeating something that has been stated about 100 times on here... FGW▸ bid to run the Franchise on information from Daft... you will run this many trains using this amount of Rolling Stock.
Basically they both screwed up and underestimated demand.
MTLS▸ are correct in that there has been NO Service Improvements, with more passengers travelling FGW need to run MORE Trains with more stock just to reinstate the Wessex Days level of Service, and to restore to earlier levels is NO Improvement. One small improvement made by FGW is the installing of Ticket Barriers at main Stations, but these should have been installed in the 1990's, but never were because whilst First may have seen a small rise in Fares NE would have seen a much bigger raise from collected local fares, that just stinks. Ummmm, yeah, so like its been pointed out 100's of times ITS THE DFT▸ !!!! the service is a vast improvement on what the DFT wanted, so yes, there are service improvements. |
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2008, 22:09:01 » |
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Steve......at risk of repeating something that has been stated about 100 times on here... FGW▸ bid to run the Franchise on information from Daft... you will run this many trains using this amount of Rolling Stock.
Basically they both screwed up and underestimated demand.
MTLS▸ are correct in that there has been NO Service Improvements, with more passengers travelling FGW need to run MORE Trains with more stock just to reinstate the Wessex Days level of Service, and to restore to earlier levels is NO Improvement. One small improvement made by FGW is the installing of Ticket Barriers at main Stations, but these should have been installed in the 1990's, but never were because whilst First may have seen a small rise in Fares NE would have seen a much bigger raise from collected local fares, that just stinks. In some cases they should revert to the Wessex Timetable (TransWilts?)!!  |
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« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2008, 22:28:38 » |
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Steve......at risk of repeating something that has been stated about 100 times on here... FGW▸ bid to run the Franchise on information from Daft... you will run this many trains using this amount of Rolling Stock.
Basically they both screwed up and underestimated demand.
MTLS▸ are correct in that there has been NO Service Improvements, with more passengers travelling FGW need to run MORE Trains with more stock just to reinstate the Wessex Days level of Service, and to restore to earlier levels is NO Improvement. One small improvement made by FGW is the installing of Ticket Barriers at main Stations, but these should have been installed in the 1990's, but never were because whilst First may have seen a small rise in Fares NE would have seen a much bigger raise from collected local fares, that just stinks. Ummmm, yeah, so like its been pointed out 100's of times ITS THE DFT▸ !!!! the service is a vast improvement on what the DFT wanted, so yes, there are service improvements. As has also been pointed out 100's of times, it was not all the DfT» . See below for a good background link. http://indefenceoffirstgreatwestern.blogspot.com/2007/11/answering-some-questions.htmldog box's earlier quote is close enough to the truth for me, as it states that they both screwed up and underestimated demand. The only real difference I have with it is (as Insider admits in the above link) that FGW did make some cuts above and beyond what they had to do. I also draw your attention to a quote by me in response to Insider : I do , however , think that FGW's decision to ask for a change to the Westbury - Swindon section of the SLC▸ (granted by the DfT) , in order to allow them to please Stroud Valley commuters (who already had an hourly service) at the expense of Melksham / TransWilts commuters (who had virtually no service) , while saving themselves having to use an extra unit , was not their finest hour and has earned them the mistrust of quite a few people on the ground. |
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