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Author Topic: GWR & SWR to run current timetable until May next year  (Read 1617 times)
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2018, 12:26:51 am »

This might be very bad news for SWR.

The new franchise was costed on an increase in services in December 2018. If the DfT don't compensate FirstGroup/MTR then the already (rumoured) shaky financial predicament the franchise is in could be exacerbated.

Stagecoach/Virgin East Coast blamed Network Rail (so, by proxy blaming the Govt) for their financial predicament after being supposedly unable to introduce more services. They then defaulted when the government refused any sort of bailout.

It's quite feasible the same could happen to SWR.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2018, 12:44:25 am »

On the other hand if the timetable was to chang in Dec 18, would SWR have the necessary extra rolling stock ready?  Progress on the 442s is supposedly way behind the curve, and there’s been no fully modified 450 or 444 in the wild yet either.

This delay might turn out to be useful to hide SWR’s embarrassment...
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2018, 06:01:52 am »

This delay might turn out to be useful to hide SWR’s embarrassment...
Not to mention the Dft’s, Network Rail’s and GWR’s for the shambles on the GW mainline modernisation.
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2018, 08:57:06 am »

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along with the turn back at Bedwyn

Last I heard (haven't been down that way myself for a while) the work on that hasn't started yet.

The current timetable for Bedwyn semi-fasts is based on around 30 mins for a non-stop run between PAD and RDG,
so there will be lots of slack for an IET at 125.
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2018, 10:11:34 am »

There is no doubt this has bought Network Rail extra time to get the infrastructure works completed but no one will talk about how late they are running with these just that its better to delay the introduction of the new timetable.
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2018, 07:23:27 pm »


Do you honestly think the TOCs will come out of this worst off financially? You obviously don't know how Grayling makes deals....although he doesn't run the railway!

This might be very bad news for SWR.

The new franchise was costed on an increase in services in December 2018. If the DfT don't compensate FirstGroup/MTR then the already (rumoured) shaky financial predicament the franchise is in could be exacerbated.

Stagecoach/Virgin East Coast blamed Network Rail (so, by proxy blaming the Govt) for their financial predicament after being supposedly unable to introduce more services. They then defaulted when the government refused any sort of bailout.

It's quite feasible the same could happen to SWR.
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2018, 08:49:11 pm »

Do you honestly think the TOCs will come out of this worst off financially? You obviously don't know how Grayling makes deals....although he doesn't run the railway!

Like the 'deal' he made with Stagecoach/Virgin East Coast? They certainly didn't do well financially when their plans to increase services to meet revenue targets were nixed by alleged Network Rail failings.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2018, 10:33:19 pm »

Difficult to see what this means for the much anticipated timetable enhancements for the the Cornish Mainline. As I read it 'on hold'.  Unfortunate but understandable.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2018, 10:36:03 pm »

I guess in terms of Cornwall, next May instead of this December at least means no additional holiday seasons will be affected.
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2018, 06:23:43 am »

There is no doubt this has bought Network Rail extra time to get the infrastructure works completed but no one will talk about how late they are running with these just that its better to delay the introduction of the new timetable.
Think this confirms my thoughts above:

Modern Railways Roger Ford on Twitter:

Electrification to Cardiff has been delayed to June/July 2019.

So don’t be surprised if the May 19 timetable change comes and goes with no major timetable change on the GW network.
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2018, 07:27:45 am »

When is the last mainline HST due to stop running GWR services? I always thought that if it wasn't until sometime during 2019, then a complete revision of the timetable couldn't be brought in anyway.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2018, 07:40:15 am »

When is the last mainline HST due to stop running GWR services? I always thought that if it wasn't until sometime during 2019, then a complete revision of the timetable couldn't be brought in anyway.

The draft 2019 timetables, London to West of Engalnd, that are being worked on for next year have some time dependent trains in them showing as HST until 18th May and a slightly different times GWR8DEM thereafter.  I think the HSTs will have been totally replaced on Bristol / Cardiff / Cheltenham Spa / Worcester services by the start of January though?
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2018, 09:34:01 am »

Yes, it was to be autumn time for all routes apart from WoE which was next spring.  Those dates could slip a little as GWR have stated they are able to use some sets for a little while longer if needed, but at the same time there’s no reason why IETs can’t continue to take over from HSTs as planned.  There’s a lot of 9-car 800/3 and 5-car 802 units starting to gather at North Pole.
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2018, 10:55:05 am »

There is no doubt this has bought Network Rail extra time to get the infrastructure works completed but no one will talk about how late they are running with these just that its better to delay the introduction of the new timetable.
Think this confirms my thoughts above:

Modern Railways Roger Ford on Twitter:

Electrification to Cardiff has been delayed to June/July 2019.

So don’t be surprised if the May 19 timetable change comes and goes with no major timetable change on the GW network.

A quote on the WNXX Forum yesterday (11/07/2018) from a GWR employee:
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Mark Hopwood informed us this afternoon that electrification through to Cardiff has been put back, possibly to June/July 2019. The IET and 802 delivery plan will stay on schedule with considerably more diesel mileage than planned.

...so expect many announcements ".....train service has been cancelled due to shortage of fuel." Tongue

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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2018, 10:58:48 am »

There may well be *some* timetable changes in December/January as access to depots and track layouts change but there won't be the widespread changes originally planned.
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