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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2019, 07:42:03 pm »

Yes, that is what is going to happen but, Apedlar12, scroll back on this thread to see why it's not going to be very soon.

Yes, thanks more likely December then at this rate... I see you did mention something about changing the train at St Davids so that the Barnstaple section would receive the 158s and then the Exmouth and Paignton end would be 143/150. I guess if this did happen, it may happen before the 158s turn up full time?


Yes, if it happens, it would be before the 158s turn up full time.  We'll see.

Where did you hear the info about this possible idea before they turn up fully?

A very good source but it was a couple of months ago and they were speculating.  If it did happen, it would be a hassle for passengers and staff to have to change and move forward at St Davids.  It would take a few minutes too.  Easy to see it not happening, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2019, 09:16:11 pm »

Yes, that is what is going to happen but, Apedlar12, scroll back on this thread to see why it's not going to be very soon.

Yes, thanks more likely December then at this rate... I see you did mention something about changing the train at St Davids so that the Barnstaple section would receive the 158s and then the Exmouth and Paignton end would be 143/150. I guess if this did happen, it may happen before the 158s turn up full time?

Yes, if it happens, it would be before the 158s turn up full time.  We'll see.

Where did you hear the info about this possible idea before they turn up fully?

A very good source but it was a couple of months ago and they were speculating.  If it did happen, it would be a hassle for passengers and staff to have to change and move forward at St Davids.  It would take a few minutes too.  Easy to see it not happening, I'm afraid.

If that happened, surely there would have to be a lot of platform changes due to other services needing to use P1/P3 at EXD. As usually the Barnstaple bound services use P3 but if there was to be a 158 waiting for the 150/143 it would have to be stored elsewhere e.g. P2 until the service from EXM arrived?
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« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2019, 10:39:58 pm »

Yes, that is what is going to happen but, Apedlar12, scroll back on this thread to see why it's not going to be very soon.

Yes, thanks more likely December then at this rate... I see you did mention something about changing the train at St Davids so that the Barnstaple section would receive the 158s and then the Exmouth and Paignton end would be 143/150. I guess if this did happen, it may happen before the 158s turn up full time?

Yes, if it happens, it would be before the 158s turn up full time.  We'll see.

Where did you hear the info about this possible idea before they turn up fully?

A very good source but it was a couple of months ago and they were speculating.  If it did happen, it would be a hassle for passengers and staff to have to change and move forward at St Davids.  It would take a few minutes too.  Easy to see it not happening, I'm afraid.

If that happened, surely there would have to be a lot of platform changes due to other services needing to use P1/P3 at EXD. As usually the Barnstaple bound services use P3 but if there was to be a 158 waiting for the 150/143 it would have to be stored elsewhere e.g. P2 until the service from EXM arrived?

Sorry, just seen this.  No, not necessarily.  For example, in the southbound direction the 150 or 142 for Exmouth could already be in platform 1 and the 158 ex Barnstaple would come in behind it.  If it was decided it was a good idea, it could be done fairly simply but, of course, not as simply as running the train with 150/143s straight through.  We'll see in time. 
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2019, 08:59:33 am »

There is no way the Barnstaple line would be allowed to lose its direct service to Exeter Central.
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2019, 10:00:29 am »

There is no way the Barnstaple line would be allowed to lose its direct service to Exeter Central.

Generally you are absolutely right.  If the whole swapping thing happened, it would be very short term and only if connections were instant and on the same platform. 
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2019, 10:29:43 pm »

Just replying to Phile's message immedately above about 158763 being out on Barnstaple/Exmouth today, again I think that must be pure desperation.  I have had it from on high in GWR that they really don't want to be using 158s on Exmouths.  I'm not making it up!

I don't know who the person on high is but both 158763 and 158766 were working all day on the Devon Metro on Monday.
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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2019, 10:15:21 am »

Just replying to Phile's message immedately above about 158763 being out on Barnstaple/Exmouth today, again I think that must be pure desperation.  I have had it from on high in GWR that they really don't want to be using 158s on Exmouths.  I'm not making it up!

I don't know who the person on high is but both 158763 and 158766 were working all day on the Devon Metro on Monday.

Yes, 763 stayed on all day with 150233 but 766 had to come on due to 150238 breaking down but was later swapped off for 150232 Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2019, 12:01:22 am »

There is no way the Barnstaple line would be allowed to lose its direct service to Exeter Central.
My understanding, from a magazine article, was that Barnstaple services would terminate at Exeter Central with trains between Exmouth, Exeter and Paignton being increased in frequency in lieu. I haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise.

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« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2019, 12:38:46 am »

There is no way the Barnstaple line would be allowed to lose its direct service to Exeter Central.
My understanding, from a magazine article, was that Barnstaple services would terminate at Exeter Central with trains between Exmouth, Exeter and Paignton being increased in frequency in lieu. I haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise.

I believe they are now looking at going one stop further and running the Barnstaple line trains through to St. James' Park from December.
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« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2019, 10:14:33 pm »

Barnstaple trains terminate at Exeter Central now because that is where the staff is and then run empty to reverse at Exmouth (Morrisons) Siding.
If a guard had to remove a drunk, or worse a child, at St James Park and left them there anything could happen. Also an incident at Central and it would be possible to run round a stopped train.










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« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2019, 10:22:14 pm »

If a guard had to remove a drunk, or worse a child, at St James Park and left them there anything could happen.

Couldn't the same be said for Falmouth Dock, Gunnislake, Bedwyn and Shalford?
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« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2019, 11:28:30 pm »

If a guard had to remove a drunk, or worse a child, at St James Park and left them there anything could happen.

Couldn't the same be said for Falmouth Dock, Gunnislake, Bedwyn and Shalford?

At termini the passenger could stay on the train and the guard could call the police to meet the train on it's return run. If BR rules are the same as London Underground that passengers can only be carried past colour light signals and not shunt signals then the train would be stuck at St James until assistance arrived. I don't know BR rules in the instance of taking passengers into a siding.
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« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2019, 11:59:40 pm »

Drunks get kicked off trains at all sorts of locations, and of course are just as likely to be waiting at an unstaffed station to try to board a train.  A lone child will be a rare occurrence, and in the event of that rare occurrence would it be possible to do the 'shunt' move by going onto the Exmouth branch behind EJ20 signal, therefore sticking to mainline signalling so the child could stay on the train?  I don't know the signalling system there well enough to know whether that could happen.
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« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2019, 05:47:20 am »

If a guard had to remove a drunk, or worse a child, at St James Park and left them there anything could happen.

Couldn't the same be said for Falmouth Dock, Gunnislake, Bedwyn and Shalford?

At termini the passenger could stay on the train and the guard could call the police to meet the train on it's return run. If BR rules are the same as London Underground that passengers can only be carried past colour light signals and not shunt signals then the train would be stuck at St James until assistance arrived. I don't know BR rules in the instance of taking passengers into a siding.

Drunks get kicked off trains at all sorts of locations, and of course are just as likely to be waiting at an unstaffed station to try to board a train.  A lone child will be a rare occurrence, and in the event of that rare occurrence would it be possible to do the 'shunt' move by going onto the Exmouth branch behind EJ20 signal, therefore sticking to mainline signalling so the child could stay on the train?  I don't know the signalling system there well enough to know whether that could happen.

So ... no real problem even in the very unusual case of lone child at St James Park.  As I read you two gentlemen, "problem" (has it ever been?) remains at Bedwyn, where you have one less member of staff (driver only).  Not sure about Shalford - how does the shunt there work??
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« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2019, 09:34:11 pm »

Had the pleasure of a 3 car 158 on the 09.21 Exeter Central to Barnstaple yesterday. (158 956). Was first time in a 158 on that line since a 2 car 158 about a decade ago. Have to say it’s was a very pleasant, smooth and quiet journey, especially compared to the return journey by Pacer.

So are these the units we will be seeing on the Barney? A fellow passenger said they had been on a ‘new train’ the morning before, so maybe a unit already rostered on this line?
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