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« Reply #120 on: June 03, 2019, 06:38:36 am »

I've got my tin hat on and the chin strap is deployed, my flak jacket is buttoned up and belted so into the affray I go.

I COULDN'T CARE A MONKEYS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING / CLIMATE CHANGE.

Seriously though, when did you see our leader Mrs. TM step off of Eurostar in Brussels or London going to / coming from discussions with European Leaders over Brexit.

In a few hours time she will be greeting an elected man who by virtue of his position is regarded as the most powerful person on this planet of ours. By virtue of that position he has a private Boeing 747 Jetliner in which he flits around the world in and wherever he has to travel more than a mile or so over land he is helicoptered. He also withdrew his country from an International Climate Change Accord, The Paris Accord.

Nearer to home we had the Bath Burgermasters refusing to allow OHL to be erected through their city even though Network Rail had commissioned three designs for simulated Georgian / Victorian overhead ironmongery which were all approved by expert organisations in the field. Perhaps the newly elected Burgermasters might change that.

Even nearer to home, my city, Bristol has a bus service to its Airport and very often whilst sitting on a bench seat in The City Centre munching a meal deal from Tescos, Sainsburys or the Co-Op, I see the A1 Airport bus with only 1 or 2 passengers aboard, and within 10 minutes another A1 to the Airport comes along empty and stops to pick up a solitary passenger at the Forces Recruitment Office stop on the City Centre.

I remember when the bus service to the airport was. I think, the 122 from the Bristol Bus Station to Weston-Super -Mare which ran at a frequency of 1 per every 2 hours. Before that, as a child, I travelled to visit an aunt, who lived at Blagdon, on the bus and we passed RAF Lulsgate and other services passing that location besides the Bristol - Weston service as mentioned, were the Bristol - Blagdon (Chew Valley) Service, the Bristol - Cheddar service and the Bristol - Bridgewater service. There was also the Bristol - Dundry service which turned off the A38 before the airport.

SO why should I give up my jaunts to Glasgow by Easyjet to visit relatives when the people who SHOULD be taking the lead on Climate Change DON'T.

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« Reply #121 on: June 03, 2019, 07:09:09 am »

I've got my tin hat on and the chin strap is deployed, my flak jacket is buttoned up and belted so into the affray I go.

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SO why should I give up my jaunts to Glasgow by Easyjet to visit relatives when the people who SHOULD be taking the lead on Climate Change DON'T.

If we are being let down by those who have been put in a position to take the long term lead for us, then perhaps we should not follow their poor example but
* set good examples ourselves
* suggest workable and practical approaches
* partner with those who may be letting us down, but nevertheless have strong knowledge and skills, as well as pressures and constraint we (as we start at least) may not appreciate
* learn best practise from others - observe and ask "how can this apply"
* be in it for the long term (not just a stunt) and with a strategy
* shout about it too ...

I got into "this business" of campaigning when I felt let down.  And perhaps I have helped achieve a little something; true reward is talking to someone who's life has been changed - once or on a daily basis - by having a better train or bus service.  Without ... perhaps a dozen people I could easily name involved each in their own way ... this would not have been achieved.  And it really needs theist be taken from a local to a national and global scale with (for example) a sharing of best practise.

It is no accident that you are seeing (my) pictures from all over a different region at the moment ....

Thank you for your post, MartyJon - a really question at the end which I have picked up.  You started "I don't care a monkey's about climate change".   You might when it effects you ... but I would love to offer you a carrot to encourage you and everyone to make better use of our planet's resources that suits you too, rather than a stick to berate you for not doing so.   I want you to get on a fairly fast, cheap, electric train at a stop near your home and be  able to end up near your relative's home in Glasgow and that to be the logical best way for you.
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« Reply #122 on: June 03, 2019, 07:24:00 am »

Re post # 120.
I can not agree.
The President of the USA, and most other politicians, do indeed set a very poor example by the profligate use of fuel.

However I do not feel that this justifies similarly wasteful behaviour from the rest of us.

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« Reply #123 on: June 03, 2019, 05:05:22 pm »

A brief note that I HAVE seen the notify requesting a retitle of this threat to something more relevant to where we are now; also looking at / wondering at a split.  As I'm train-hopping again today, a look at the structure will need to wait as I'm liable to end up loosing my connection in the middle of doing things, which would not be clever.

It terms of setting an example, my trip is a green one as I'm exclusively using trains which are running for other people anyway.  One case where I was the only person getting off a train and no-one got on, but as it was not a request stop, once again I claim my green badge.
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« Reply #124 on: June 04, 2019, 12:06:04 pm »

There may be no practical alternative to air for long-distance travel, but should we be expanding short-haul flights? Would Heathrow need additional capacity if more short-haul flights switched to high speed rail?

The budget for expanding Heathrow is £14BN... how does this investment sit with the climate emergency?
Yes we should be expanding high speed rail to cut back on short haul flights.

We have the Channel Tunnel that opens up most of Europe to the UK but so far little advantage of this has been taken with trains to Amsterdam having only recently started and thatís only one way! Crazy.

Then you have HS2. Look at all the fuss being caused over building that. If you could get London-Edinburgh/Glasgow down to less than three hours then you would stand a chance of eliminating most air travel between London and Scotland.

For what itís worth, I donít see the third runway ever being built at Heathrow. Not now.

Agree, the money should be spent on improving rail.
HS2-------------Yes, we have had years of studies, reviews and consultations, time to get on and actually build it.
More use of Chanel tunnel----------Yes.
And ALSO some relatively minor and incremental improvements to existing routes to improve capacity.
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A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #125 on: June 04, 2019, 12:42:49 pm »

Agree, the money should be spent on improving rail.

But you can be fairly confident that it wouldn't be...

HS2-------------Yes, we have had years of studies, reviews and consultations, time to get on and actually build it.

Work has already started... which is not to say that it won't be cancelled by the next incumbent at No.10, judging by what they are saying. Again, don't expect the money to be invested in anything more useful than a 1p cut in income tax though.

More use of Chanel tunnel----------Yes.

Out of interest, does anyone know how much spare capacity there is in the Chunnel? I've googled around but not come up with a simple answer...





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