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« on: April 20, 2019, 06:25:22 am »

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'Bath is ready for action to tackle terrible traffic & air quality'

An alliance of Bath's top organisations has told the council to 'get on with' fixing transport problems

Bath is 'ready' for firm action to be taken to tackle the city's 'terrible' air quality - if only the city's council had the 'courage' to do something.

That's according to the leader of the Bath Alliance for Transport and Public Realm, a coalition of the city's 21 'most important' institutions, which has drawn up its own plan to inspire candidates battling it out at the upcoming local elections on May 2.

Van DuBose, leader of the Alliance, claimed politicians and representatives of Bath and North East Somerset Council are 'terrified' by the 'toxic' issue of transport.

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'Bath is ready to have things done'

Mr DuBose added: “The alliance mainly looks at higher level issues but the manifesto gets quite specific.
"Its purpose was to give inspiration and guidance to the political groups in preparing their own manifestos.
“They need to think long-term, transcending even the next election.
"We aren’t a campaign group. We’re just trying to help the council take action.
“Transport is uniquely politically toxic.
"Politicians are terrified of losing votes, they just try to get through the next four years.
"It takes courage to do anything. This council is fairly typical.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2019, 09:52:50 am »

Maybe if Bath citizens wants better air quality they can welcome electrification if it is ever restarted, rather than complain about the effect of a few poles and wires.  I bet they won't though.

And wasn't there a proposal for a Park and Ride that got kicked into the long grass by the environmental lobby too a few years back?
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2019, 10:34:58 am »

Maybe if Bath citizens wants better air quality they can welcome electrification if it is ever restarted, rather than complain about the effect of a few poles and wires.  I bet they won't though.

And wasn't there a proposal for a Park and Ride that got kicked into the long grass by the environmental lobby too a few years back?

There would be considerable sense in bringing people into the centre of Bath along the electric railway - though you will find it hard to come up with specific points to recommend that the join the trains to get there  Grin

A study a while back looked at extending electrification from Newbury to Bedwyn, or Westbury, or Westbury with the links back to Bath and / or Chippenham.  However, in my view the wrong question(s) was/were asked and it turned out not to be worth electrifying Newbury to Westbury for just 2 electric trains per day.

I am ... attracted ... by the idea of electric services calling at ... oh, never mind - not a crayonista day ... but I can envisage a situation where additions to Bath's current ring of park and rides might not be in the same ring, but rather provide for shorter car journeys to longer public transport ones.   We do this already (we, personal, my wife and I) parking at home and catching the bus from the nearest stop all the way into Bath.  And I can envisage current and new station locations in Wiltshire offering enhanced electric transport into Bath as well as better serving their own towns / catchments.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2019, 07:22:06 pm »

Much as I would love to see further rail electrification in the South West, the reality is that for suburban electrification to be an effective proposition you probably need to wire Gloucester to Taunton via Filton Bank, Bristol to Chippenham, probably Westbury, the Severn Beach line and the Portishead line (when it's opened).

The electric stock can be leased and paid for on the never-never, but you're also going to need a depot for electric stock (probably taking the opportunity to flog St Phillips Marsh), at least one grid connection (at something like £20m a pop), various bits of resignalling, you'll need to sort out Bath Road bridge in Bristol, Bristol East Junction needs rebuilding, figure out what to do about Chippenham's listed old footbridge, get wires past the Bath NIMBY's then finally there's the monumental task of putting up wires through Temple Meads, which itself needs a fairly hefty extension adding.

The reality is unfortunately that sort of dosh is unlikely to be coming from a Government that is far from pro rail.

The best opportunity for it to happen will be at the end of the next decade when the Voyagers and the Turbos become life-expired, diesel will be even more expensive and unacceptable, and much of the signalling will have been replaced.

On that basis, I would suggest that the best option in the interim is to push for an intensively worked S-Bahn style service centred around Bristol with the Turbos that are available. Yes, it is not particularly desirable environmentally (though better than private cars of course), but if it builds the case for further investment in rail then it will be worth it.     
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