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« on: April 27, 2019, 05:51:43 »

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Passengers are causing severe delays to buses and trains by continuing to poo and vomit in them, transport bosses say.

Anti-social mess, including vomit, urine and blood, is being left on buses for staff to clean.

Transport for London (TfL» (Transport for London - about)) buses alone were reported as "soiled" a total of 14,632 times in 2018.

It classes a bus as having been soiled when passengers have left vomit, urine, blood or smashed glass behind.

The article reads to me as if there is a righteous undertone that people are somehow responsible for the fouling.  In many cases they may be, in some they may be the result of personal misjudgement but in other cases they might best be described as unforeseeable one-off accidents.

On a fleet of 8,500 vehicles that's 1.7 times per vehicle, or once every 210 days per vehicle.

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2019, 07:54:30 »

Stats for tube lines in the Huffington Post.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2019, 10:56:40 »

Article also on the Beeb website:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48068457

Although not specifically mentioned, the article does make some links with the times this happens most often and events where there may be heavier drinking going on.
I think it's that aspect that is not viewed too favourably.


Edit: Seen dogs (not assistance dogs) allowed to urinate freely by their owners in Temple Meads Station. Not very nice either.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2019, 12:04:30 »

Paradoxically, the least-affected line appears to be the Water-Loo and Sh*tty...
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2019, 14:28:48 »

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Passengers are causing severe delays to buses and trains by continuing to poo and vomit in them, transport bosses say.

Anti-social mess, including vomit, urine and blood, is being left on buses for staff to clean.

Transport for London (TfL» (Transport for London - about)) buses alone were reported as "soiled" a total of 14,632 times in 2018.

It classes a bus as having been soiled when passengers have left vomit, urine, blood or smashed glass behind.

The article reads to me as if there is a righteous undertone that people are somehow responsible for the fouling.  In many cases they may be, in some they may be the result of personal misjudgement but in other cases they might best be described as unforeseeable one-off accidents.

On a fleet of 8,500 vehicles that's 1.7 times per vehicle, or once every 210 days per vehicle.



Putting on my cynical hat, perhaps they wish to re-brand delays caused by fouling from "an unfortunate part of running a public transport facility" and now call them delays "caused by vandalism or customer action"

Delays caused by the failure to employ enough cleaners to deal promptly with such regrettable incidents could then change from "lack of spare buses/LUL (London Underground Ltd) trains to cope with entirely foreseeable incidents" and become a "problem caused by passengers, don't blame us !"

A really good manager charged with improving performance statistics could work wonders. If a train or bus is going to be canceled due to mechanical failure or lack of a driver, a good manager could inspect for any perhaps minor soiling and then declare the service cancelled "due to fouling"

Some incidents are unavoidable sudden medical incidents, and others result from drunken stupidity, but I believe that the total number of soiling events could be appreciably reduced by providing public toilets.
The Victorians managed this, so why cant public toilets be provided today ?
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2019, 16:12:55 »

Paradoxically, the least-affected line appears to be the Water-Loo and Sh*tty...

I fear that's because it's the shortest line .... just two stations (and one interstantion journey) versus fifty stations / around 46 inter station journeys on the Northern.    The drain is still not as bad as the Northern when you multiply it up, but it's certainly no long the best.  Probably has a big problem with celebrating City types heading for the leafy suburbs of Surrey and Ampshire.
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2019, 10:28:12 »

Paradoxically, the least-affected line appears to be the Water-Loo and Sh*tty...

I fear that's because it's the shortest line .... just two stations (and one interstantion journey) versus fifty stations / around 46 inter station journeys on the Northern.    The drain is still not as bad as the Northern when you multiply it up, but it's certainly no long the best.  Probably has a big problem with celebrating City types heading for the leafy suburbs of Surrey and Ampshire.

It's currently my most used tube line, never seen any soiling problems on it. As for celebrating city types, give it time, it's only in the last 2 or 3 years that its been open after 9pm.  Smiley
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