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« on: July 02, 2019, 09:16:21 »

https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/17742410.customer-satisfaction-is-at-a-record-high-for-gwr/?ref=mr&lp=7

Not sure if this shouldn't be under "smoke & mirrors"  Cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 18:22:44 »

Like all surveys, it depends what you ask and when you ask it. Is the questionnaire published, it should be for a reputable survey. What was the sample size, it really needs to be more than 1000 to have much statistical validity.

But who cares about all that it can still make a good (or bad) story, depending on the results.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 18:47:41 »

Like all surveys, it depends what you ask and when you ask it. Is the questionnaire published, it should be for a reputable survey. What was the sample size, it really needs to be more than 1000 to have much statistical validity.

But who cares about all that it can still make a good (or bad) story, depending on the results.

It's not hard to find out from the National Rail Passenger Survey pages of Passenger Focus. That says:
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Transport Focus consults more than 50,000 passengers a year to produce the National Rail Passenger Survey (NRPS (Numerical Rating Pain Score (patient discomfort scale))) – a network-wide picture of passengers’ satisfaction with rail travel. Passenger opinions of train services are collected twice a year from a representative sample of journeys.

Passengers’ overall satisfaction and satisfaction with 30 specific aspects of service can, therefore, be compared over time.

NRPS is the largest published rail passenger satisfaction survey in the world. It supplies an official statistic that is used as a key performance indicator in most rail franchises.
Latest results

To read results from the NRPS spring wave 2019 undertaken between 04 February and 14 April 2019 download the full report or at-a-glance guides for the entire rail network and each train operator

There's a bit about methodology in the main report, though apparently not the questions - but I think there isn't much to know, it's "how satisfied are you with" a long list of things. There is a link to more information, but it goes round in a circle; probably something is still on the site but with no link to it (all too common these days).

But really the misleading bit of the article was to call them "new figures released by Great Western Railway...".

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 23:40:34 »

Two bits of the methodology to note:

1. Sampling stratified by station footfall. While this is great for ensuring that the results represent the overall passenger base, it does mean that the results tend to represent busy stations (with better facilities and more trains). Perhaps there should be separate stats for "the fringes" of the network.

2. [fieldwork] shifts were aborted if there was only a rail-replacement bus service.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2019, 07:31:02 »

I think I was a participant in this last year. Somebody walking up the train with a bag of questionnaire forms. Handed a form and a pencil. If I remember correctly it asked about your current journey. This was obviously off peak, on SWR» (South Western Railway - about), the particular process would not work in peak because the person would not be able to get through the train (certainly so from Reading to London).
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2019, 11:36:34 »

I think I was a participant in this last year. Somebody walking up the train with a bag of questionnaire forms. Handed a form and a pencil. If I remember correctly it asked about your current journey. This was obviously off peak, on SWR» (South Western Railway - about), the particular process would not work in peak because the person would not be able to get through the train (certainly so from Reading to London).

That would almost certainly have been an NPRS survey, yes.

The increase in ratings are good news - you can present arguments on their validity and accuracy, but without interviewing every passenger after every journey you could say that about any survey.  The representative sample is diverse enough and the number of surveys large enough to give a good idea of the general feelings of the travelling public.  I know management within GWR (Great Western Railway) take the results very seriously.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it indicates that the average passenger isn't quite as bothered about things such as buffets and padding on seats as some seem to think?  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2019, 11:38:21 »

I think that these surveys are often rigged in order to produce favourable results.

I have taken part in a similar survey on Thameslink.
The surveys are not done on overcrowded trains.
Neither do they include rail replacement buses.
Neither do they include "bad train days" when passengers are advised not to travel.
The questions tend to refer only to the journey being undertaken, with little opportunity to comment on other trips.



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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2019, 11:43:10 »



The increase in ratings are good news - you can present arguments on their validity and accuracy, but without interviewing every passenger after every journey you could say that about any survey.  The representative sample is diverse enough and the number of surveys large enough to give a good idea of the general feelings of the travelling public.  I know management within GWR (Great Western Railway) take the results very seriously.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it indicates that the average passenger isn't quite as bothered about things such as buffets and padding on seats as some seem to think?  Wink

Or perhaps it indicates that seat comfort and buffet provision were not included in the survey, perhaps because so doing would result in unfavourable answers.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2019, 12:13:07 »

I think that these surveys are often rigged in order to produce favourable results.

I would agree if it was a survey undertaken by GWR (Great Western Railway), but this is undertaken independently by Transport Focus who are on the side of the passenger, not the TOCs (Train Operating Company), so why would their results be rigged?  I have certainly seen surveys undertaken on a wide variety of trains over the years, including rush hour ones, though whether they get the balance right is always open to examination I suppose.

Or perhaps it indicates that seat comfort and buffet provision were not included in the survey, perhaps because so doing would result in unfavourable answers.

Seating comfort is a specific question in the survey.  In the case of GWR it was up 4% on Autumn 2018 from a representative sample of 1619.

Catering provision is not a specific question (perhaps it should be?).  It would expect it to have an impact on the 'Overall Satisfaction of the Train' question though if people thought it an important enough aspect of their journey.  The 'Overall Satisfaction of the Train' results were up 7% on Autumn 2018 from a representative sample of 1650.
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