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Author Topic: Okehampton-Tavistock. Discussion on reopening and potential use as a diversionary route  (Read 271479 times)
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« Reply #195 on: April 15, 2010, 08:33:55 »

It seem's that Dartmoor Railway aren't quite ready to run services at the moment, as FGW (First Great Western) will continue to run summer Sunday services to Okehampton this year.
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« Reply #196 on: April 15, 2010, 16:24:58 »

It seem's that Dartmoor Railway aren't quite ready to run services at the moment, as FGW (First Great Western) will continue to run summer Sunday services to Okehampton this year.

where did you hear that from mate?
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« Reply #197 on: April 15, 2010, 17:43:24 »

well we're all re-signing the route at St David's so that's a pretty good indication that they're not ready up at Dartmoor Railway towers!
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« Reply #198 on: April 15, 2010, 17:50:31 »

Posted in Exeter booking on point.
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« Reply #199 on: April 15, 2010, 19:55:52 »

wow thats very impressive actually that they can help out at such short notice
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« Reply #200 on: April 16, 2010, 20:52:12 »

wow thats very impressive actually that they can help out at such short notice

People & rolling stock is much less of a problem on Sundays. I must pop 'upstairs' and make sure it's still on my route card.
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« Reply #201 on: April 17, 2010, 09:58:11 »

It is also another example of where privatisation is actually a hinderance to running the service.

Despite the claim that it would encourage operators to run more trains reopen lines etc. it has been  the Welsh And Scottish Assemblies that have opened the most lines.

In Engalnd it would be the local authorities but most rail lines go through several authorities so it difficult to quantify the benefits to each authority.

In this case running a bus from surrounding villages through Okehampton to the station in connection with the trains would seem to be a good idea.

However with DafT insisting  buses compete with buses and trains and trains compete with trains and buses, it couldn't be done. Which is of course an absurb situation when they are in fact complementary.

Which is why although it has been discussed elsewhere on this board the EC directive on the length of a bus route works well in Europe because there are more rail lines nearer more people so the bus routes don't have to serve large stretches of country such as North Devon and  Cornwall, North Norfolk etc. without nearby rail lines.
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« Reply #202 on: April 19, 2010, 12:49:25 »

Which is why although it has been discussed elsewhere on this board the EC directive on the length of a bus route works well in Europe because there are more rail lines nearer more people so the bus routes don't have to serve large stretches of country such as North Devon and  Cornwall, North Norfolk etc. without nearby rail lines.
Makes you wonder how they get on in France as large chunks of the rural networks have been abandoned (allthough not formally closed) and SNCF (Societe Nationale des Chemins de fer Francais - French National Railways) provide replacement buses instead.

Your getting the EU» (European Union - about) rules confused with the UK (United Kingdom) domestic driver rules by the way, the Uk domestic rules allow service buses on routes of 50km or less to run without a Tachograph and not adhere to the EU driver hours legislation provided the driver has a roster and / or timetable in his possession. This can of course be overcome by fitting a Tachograph to the bus, although in some cases fitting a modern digital Tachograph to an elderly bus isn't an economic option as it would cost more than the vehicle is worth. Coaches, (older ones are sometimes used as service buses by some operators with a wayfarer ticket machine bolted onto the front platform) generally have a Tachograph on them anyway.

Any news on the DCR or has their open access application been held up by the dissolution of parliament / DfT» (Department for Transport - about) prior to the general election? Any news on any vacancies they might be advertising?
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« Reply #203 on: April 19, 2010, 17:09:09 »

Looks like they are going ahead accordimng to some articles in the various railway magazines. they are looking for local people to employ  according to one articles i read.

services could be starting this summer
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« Reply #204 on: April 21, 2010, 11:21:44 »

It's hard to see where else they could operate in Devon & Cornwall, especially Cornwall. Maybe extending east from Exeter to Axminster?
Not sure. I suspect there are pathways on the single line as as far as Axminster despite the SWT (South West Trains) hourly services. Although there is little slack capacity between Exeter St Davids & Exmouth Jn. However unless the tickets are interavailble between SWT & DCR there would be little actual market for DCR services going to Axminster.
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« Reply #205 on: April 21, 2010, 12:47:27 »

It's hard to see where else they could operate in Devon & Cornwall, especially Cornwall. Maybe extending east from Exeter to Axminster?
Not sure. I suspect there are pathways on the single line as as far as Axminster despite the SWT (South West Trains) hourly services.

There is spare capacity, AFAICT (as far as I can tell) [from drawing a simple distance/time graph] but it can only support a service pattern with 2 hours between the additional trains from Exeter.  It would have to follow about 20 mins after an up SWT service and wait for about 4 or 5 mins for the next down SWT to cross at Honiton.   If it sits at Axminster from about xx30 to xx40 it can then head back to Honiton and cross with the next up SWT

The second hourly Axminster proposal discussed in the RUS (Route Utilisation Strategy), running in every alternate half hour between SWT services, would be the ideal, but to introduce that needs another loop 'somewhere just west of Whimple' as well.  Also wherever that loop is placed it would probably have to be an extended length (dynamic) loop to allow for perturbations in the main service's running times.

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« Reply #206 on: April 21, 2010, 15:16:24 »

I suspect an additional bit of double line would be required anyway if the new station at Cranbrook (discussed here) ever comes to pass. I suspect the end of the double line section would be somewhere between Cranaford AHBC (Automatic Half Barrier Crossing) and the old Broadclyst station site.
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There is spare capacity, AFAICT (as far as I can tell) [from drawing a simple distance/time graph] but it can only support a service pattern with 2 hours between the additional trains from Exeter.  It would have to follow about 20 mins after an up SWT (South West Trains) service and wait for about 4 or 5 mins for the next down SWT to cross at Honiton.   If it sits at Axminster from about xx30 to xx40 it can then head back to Honiton and cross with the next up SWT

Which sadly would bring the train to Axminster into pathing conflict with the current Exmouth services from Exeter which also leave about 20 minutes behind the xx:26 Waterloo line departures. And as the Exmouth line departures tie in with the rest of the Devon internals a major rewrite would be required, which seems a lot of effort to go to just to send a 31 & coaches to Axminster a few times a day.
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« Reply #207 on: April 21, 2010, 20:41:18 »

My 'about 20 mins after' was just a finger in the air really, I didn't look at other local services...

However, by sheer coincidence, I've just been reading the timings of tomorrow's NR» (Network Rail - home page) NMT run down the line to Exeter and back to Basingstoke. The down train gets to Exeter before the standard hourly pattern starts, but the up timings as far as Yeovil Junction should be of interest to those wondering how to get another service along that way...

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1026 EXETSTDAV PASS 10:43
1030 EXETERCEN PASS 10:45
1032 (estimated) EXMOUTHJN PASS 10:47
1035 (est) PINHOE PASS 10:56
1053 HONITON 11:08 11:19
1106 AXMINSTER PASS 11:30
1110 (est) CHARD JN 11:37 11:58
1129YEOVIL JN 12:13 12:47

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So there's some 32 mins of waiting time just to get from Exeter to Yeovil Jn - unlikely anyone would run a new through service with those sort of timings...

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« Reply #208 on: April 29, 2010, 09:57:36 »

A new operator is mentioned in the new NR» (Network Rail - home page) timetable with no further info given. Does anyone know where further info can be found?
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« Reply #209 on: April 29, 2010, 12:06:39 »

 Smiley This is the company that will operate new daily services to Okehampton soon.
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