Did I dream it????

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[vacman]

If you sell tickets you should have access to Newsrail Express, and therefore should be reading it surely?!

I'm general public when it comes to this sort of stuff and it took me ages to get hold of copies - but I read it!!

Sore point about Newsrail express.........

[Lee]

Further BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) article link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7365871.stm

[swlines]

If you sell tickets you should have access to Newsrail Express, and therefore should be reading it surely?!

I'm general public when it comes to this sort of stuff and it took me ages to get hold of copies - but I read it!!

Sore point about Newsrail express.........

Heh heh.

They're hiding it behind that FRPP thing now so can't read it! 

[Tim]

why make the distinction between retunrs and day returns?  What is teh justification for this?  Is it a revenue protection issue?

[swlines]

Because a return and a day return are very different beasts. You could be paying in excess of ^50 more for a "return" as opposed to "day return"!

[Tim]

But is doesn't cost the railway anymore to transport you on a period return versus a day return.  I can understand why travelling in the peak is more expensive but why make travelling a day later (at the same time of day) more expensive.    Will the distinction between day rtns and period returns remain in the new system? If so then it isn't really a simplification just a rebanding exercise. 

The problem I have with day returns is that for that for short jounreys they are the only tickets available (even on short jounreys to certain airports where a good number of passengers must be flying off somewhere and returning a few days later).  A day return may be less expensive than a saver or open return but if you can't travel out and back the same day two singles are likely to cost more than the saver. 

My comment about revevene protection is based on teh fact that day returns are less likely to abused than period returns by being resused (and perhaps reuse is easier on shorter journeys cos those tickets are less likely to b clipped)

[swlines]

There will still be a distinction in order to make it clear what the return duration is on the ticket - however you generally won't be able to get period returns on routes where a day return is available now. (Flows that will are mid-distance flows, 50 to 150 miles).

[Tim]

There will still be a distinction in order to make it clear what the return duration is on the ticket - however you generally won't be able to get period returns on routes where a day return is available now. (Flows that will are mid-distance flows, 50 to 150 miles).

So the "simplification" actually makes things more confusing, because the complexity over whether period retunrs are available is hidden from the public by using the same name for two types of walk on returns!

[swlines]

Indeed. I don't think they've gone about this correctly really, as they haven't advertised that there will be sub levels of each fare called Day Returns really...

[devonian]

Does anyone know why period returns are not available on shorter journeys? Before I was season ticketed, staying overnight at a friend's house by train cost twice as much as going to see them during the day as two singles had to be bought.

I had become accustomed to Network Away Break tickets which were great for this type of thing although they were more expensive than a day return.

I don't see the logic in it. Am I missing something? 

[swlines]

To prevent repeated usage of such tickets where it is unlikely you will get a ticket check.

[Mookiemoo]

To prevent repeated usage of such tickets where it is unlikely you will get a ticket check.

So just in case a few people might cheat, everybody has to pay more

Another case of guilty until proven innocent

I cant think of another area where people ASSUME you will cheat

[devon_metro]

To prevent repeated usage of such tickets where it is unlikely you will get a ticket check.

So just in case a few people might cheat, everybody has to pay more

Another case of guilty until proven innocent

I cant think of another area where people ASSUME you will cheat

So Mookie, do you suggest we put barriers everywhere and hence (according to your theory) victimise and massivly inconvenience everyone?

Can't win

[Shazz]

To prevent repeated usage of such tickets where it is unlikely you will get a ticket check.

So just in case a few people might cheat, everybody has to pay more

Another case of guilty until proven innocent

I cant think of another area where people ASSUME you will cheat

Sports?

They don't drug test everyone for the hell of it...

[Mookiemoo]

To prevent repeated usage of such tickets where it is unlikely you will get a ticket check.

So just in case a few people might cheat, everybody has to pay more

Another case of guilty until proven innocent

I cant think of another area where people ASSUME you will cheat

So Mookie, do you suggest we put barriers everywhere and hence (according to your theory) victimise and massivly inconvenience everyone?

Can't win

As I pointed out - barriers dont work anyway - they just prove you have a valid ticket to get on and off the platform.  Without a ticket check you could easily get a reading to readign west to get on a train and if they had barriers at worcester get a pershore to worcester  ticket at the other end.