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I read somewhere that UK▸ employment law might not apply to persons employed in the shipping industry?
What an appalling way to treat your staff though! I do hope Broadgage is right in that there is a lot of damage to reputation as a result, though sadly I suspect the parent company might not be too sorry to offload it or see it go under.
I find Irish Ferries decision to start operating Dover-Calais an interesting one. Perhaps they know what’s coming and are ready to hoover up P&O’s traffic should they go out of business. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2022, 08:01:02 » |
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This is the second time the parent company has owned it….
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2022, 10:17:42 » |
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To quote Oscar Wilde: "The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable".
The RMT▸ versus Gulf oil money..................they deserve each other !
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2022, 11:40:14 » |
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I see P&O Cruises are getting a right hammering on Twitter. Their cut and paste explaining they are separate companies with different owners is getting a lot of use!
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2022, 11:45:29 » |
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To quote Oscar Wilde: "The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable".
The RMT▸ versus Gulf oil money..................they deserve each other !
Whatever you think of RMT the P&O workers don't deserve this. It is the sort of action by employers that makes unions to have the characteristics you so dislike in RMT. Look at early rail accident history and you will find ASLEF» fighting for its members against huge injustice from employers. |
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2022, 12:21:30 » |
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Some countries have laws or regulations that prohibit the foreign takeover of potentialy important businesses including shipping. The UK▸ on the other hand welcomed this and preferred the term "inward investment" over "takeover"
In time of war, a British owned, British registered, and British crewed fleet could be most important, rather than foreign owned ships that might be removed to transport troops or war material for the enemy. For similar reasons the ships should be crewed by British citizens rather than by potential enemies.
It seems unlikely that we could have won the last war if our merchant ships, including ferries, had been owned by Germany, or by someone else later conquered by Germany.
It is most fortunate that the world remains at peace without risk of any wars.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2022, 12:43:57 » |
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Dubai Sovereign Wealth owned company, Cyprus based.
Benefited from support from UK▸ taxpayers through furlough, and now this. Disgraceful.
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2022, 12:57:37 » |
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2022, 15:19:59 » |
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Be careful what you wish/ vote for ,sometimes they get granted......
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2022, 18:16:18 » |
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If we had voted ‘remain’ could and, if so, would the same decision have been taken?
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2022, 18:38:45 » |
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If we had voted ‘remain’ could and, if so, would the same decision have been taken?
I suspect so. Foreign crews would still be cheaper, regardless of EU» membership or not. Foreign owners would still care little about UK▸ workers, regardless of EU membership or not. Had we remained in the EU it would have been even easier to replace UK crew with cheaper alternatives from Eastern Europe, and so doing might have been actually REQUIRED under EU rules. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2022, 19:52:42 » |
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To quote Oscar Wilde: "The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable".
The RMT▸ versus Gulf oil money..................they deserve each other !
Whatever you think of RMT the P&O workers don't deserve this. It is the sort of action by employers that makes unions to have the characteristics you so dislike in RMT. Look at early rail accident history and you will find ASLEF» fighting for its members against huge injustice from employers. Perhaps you would like to read what I actually wrote - I did not say that the "P & O workers deserve this", I said that the RMT "deserved" the P & O management - and vice versa. Both sides in this dispute are equally stupid and pig-headed. Just where did I imply, let alone say, that that the RMT has characteristics that I "so dislike" ?? I said no such thing ! Neither did I make any comment on what I might "think" about the RMT (or P & O). My comment was deliberately totally neutral - I did not identify either the "Unspeakable" or the "Uneatable" to requote Mr Wilde. When I see a fence I sit on it.................. Perhaps the senior management of P & O decided after watching the recent antics of the RMT on the rail network that the only way to resolve the problem was to get their retaliation in first ? Or is there only one side of this dispute that is allowed to be put forward ? |
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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2022, 21:34:07 » |
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I read somewhere that UK▸ employment law might not apply to persons employed in the shipping industry?
What an appalling way to treat your staff though! I do hope Broadgage is right in that there is a lot of damage to reputation as a result, though sadly I suspect the parent company might not be too sorry to offload it or see it go under.
I'm not sure what the employments situation is, or was under EU» law, and whether there is a difference between merchant vessel plying their trade across the globe and those vessels dapping between Dover and Calais a few times daily. Whatever the case, I can't think of a worse way of getting rid of staff that doesn't involve violence, and side with the staff dealt with in such a way. |
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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2022, 07:18:45 » |
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I read somewhere that UK▸ employment law might not apply to persons employed in the shipping industry?
What an appalling way to treat your staff though! I do hope Broadgage is right in that there is a lot of damage to reputation as a result, though sadly I suspect the parent company might not be too sorry to offload it or see it go under.
I'm not sure what the employments situation is, or was under EU» law, and whether there is a difference between merchant vessel plying their trade across the globe and those vessels dapping between Dover and Calais a few times daily. Whatever the case, I can't think of a worse way of getting rid of staff that doesn't involve violence, and side with the staff dealt with in such a way. There is no difference with regards the various UK Merchant Shipping Acts and International agreements / regulations. These did not change with the UK leaving the EU |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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