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I used to think that they would also haver access to the best HR▸ ▸ advice and public relations companies, but it seems I was wrong. This has the hallmarks of some of the worst practices of the 1970s, but without the original disputes. Having access to the best advisers does not mean that their advice will be followed. I understand that they have made what they consider to be a generous offer of a pay off, which could very well be calculated based on what they have been advised the employees would be awarded. It does not (of course) excuse the way they have gone about it. |
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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2022, 14:45:13 » |
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Once again not all P&O Ferries are Cyprus registered. This may apply to the Dover fleet but not to others. The Pride of Hull is registered in The Bahamas and others are registered elsewhere. I am also unsure if the port of registration (if outside UK▸ ) is especially relevant to this discussion. Regardless the loyal P&O workforce deserves better treatment.
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2022, 18:20:56 » |
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Once again not all P&O Ferries are Cyprus registered. This may apply to the Dover fleet but not to others. The Pride of Hull is registered in The Bahamas and others are registered elsewhere. I am also unsure if the port of registration (if outside UK▸ ) is especially relevant to this discussion. Regardless the loyal P&O workforce deserves better treatment.
That is the reason seafarers come under the Merchant Shipping (Marine Labour Convention) (Min Requirements for Seafarers) Regs 2014 |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2022, 13:19:53 » |
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Stinks of 'Thatcherism' of the 1980's .
When hospital ancillary worker's sacked and replaced by low paid contract staff.
High profile because of the way it was handled, but it has been going on for year's.
No doubt it will happen in the Railway Industry when TOC▸ 's strip platform staff of their
Safety Critical status and replace them with casual agency staff on an as required basis.
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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2022, 19:32:19 » |
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No doubt it will happen in the Railway Industry when TOC▸ 's strip platform staff of their
Safety Critical status and replace them with casual agency staff on an as required basis.
If it happens (and I am doubtful) I think it more likely that it would be DfT» that are the instigators not the TOC's |
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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2022, 19:36:33 » |
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It has been said that P&O are in the red. However the trouble seems to be that employing British crews has become prohibitively expensive if you are in competition with foreign crewed ships. Whatever excuses P&O give out this treatment of their crews is thoroughly shameful and a massively indelible stain on the company. My thoughts are with the staff who have been dismissed.
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« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2022, 08:14:32 » |
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I will be surprised if P & O are found to have broken the law. They will have had access to the best lawyers that dodgy oil money can buy, and have probably acted just within the law.
It seems that broadgage may be right at least on one count. From Sky NewsP&O Ferries sackings: Change in law signed off by Chris Grayling meant P&O didn't need to tell govt, maritime lawyer says
A change in the law signed off by former Conservative minister Chris Grayling cleared the way for P&O Ferries to legally sack 800 staff last week without telling the government, a leading maritime lawyer has told Sky News.
Legislation to protect employees in the UK▸ was amended by Mr Grayling in 2018 so that the secretary of state does not have to be notified of mass redundancies on ships registered overseas.... The article continues |
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« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2022, 21:34:14 » |
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I will be surprised if P & O are found to have broken the law. They will have had access to the best lawyers that dodgy oil money can buy, and have probably acted just within the law.
It seems that broadgage may be right at least on one count. From Sky NewsP&O Ferries sackings: Change in law signed off by Chris Grayling meant P&O didn't need to tell govt, maritime lawyer says
A change in the law signed off by former Conservative minister Chris Grayling cleared the way for P&O Ferries to legally sack 800 staff last week without telling the government, a leading maritime lawyer has told Sky News.
Legislation to protect employees in the UK▸ was amended by Mr Grayling in 2018 so that the secretary of state does not have to be notified of mass redundancies on ships registered overseas.... The article continues I'm trying to be fair and think of a reason why he could have done this without realising the potential consequences. The only thing I can come up with is that he didn't intend for it to apply to any shipping company with any actual ships. |
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Now, please!
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« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2022, 22:25:25 » |
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P&O ferry held in Northern Ireland as "not fit to sail" due to crew training and other concerns. Looks as though the flexible safety standards have started already. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60881550 |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2022, 22:43:56 » |
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A second ferry has now been detained due to safety concerns. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60908750 |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2022, 07:32:38 » |
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According to reports on the website of a tabloid newspaper, P&O ferries are to "cease sailings indefinitely, passengers advised to seek alternatives"
But I can not find similar reports on more reputable media. Can anyone confirm or deny ?
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2022, 08:22:00 » |
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Yes they are, thanks for the link.
It seems that this applies only to one route, not to the entire operation.
The earlier report to which I referred IMPLIED a total shutdown, but was "clickbait" which worked to an extent as I DID» click on it but gave up trying to find the actual news among all the adverts.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2022, 20:00:52 » |
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https://twitter.com/POferriesupdate suggests it's also the case on the Larne-Cairnryan route. I think that just leaves Liverpool-Dublin ("back in operation") and Hull-Rotterdam ("operating on a reduced schedule").
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