the great experiment

[whole diary]

[John R]

So now we've got the costs of operating the buses to include, and we've got opposition from FGW^▸ (First Great Western) and XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) who don't want revenue abstracted from the route between Exeter and Newton Abbott (which would include a portion of every ticket sold which involves travel between Newton Abbott and Exeter and is not restricted to a particular train - ie an ORCATS^▸ (Operational Research Computerised Allocation of Tickets to Services) raid.)   

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for example if there was a service leaving at 730 from okehampton it would arrive in exeter at around 808 leaving a ten min wait for the connecting sevice threw to exmouth would also give passengers from barnstable another easy connection to newton abbott

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So now we've got the costs of operating the buses to include, and we've got opposition from FGW^▸ (First Great Western) and XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) who don't want revenue abstracted from the route between Exeter and Newton Abbott (which would include a portion of every ticket sold which involves travel between Newton Abbott and Exeter and is not restricted to a particular train - ie an ORCATS^▸ (Operational Research Computerised Allocation of Tickets to Services) raid.)   

well if it worked fgw being the main franchise would benifit from revinue from the service wouldnt they with the bonus of no maintanance costs or staffing, for example any profits from people using the service from crediton onwards should go to fgw they would not object to services that do not interfeer with there own and that they profit from

[Andy]

Would it be possible - on an experimental basis, of course - to attach a single car unit to run as far as Yeoford and then be detached/attached to the Barnstaple-Exeter/Exmouth services?

[TerminalJunkie]

Would it be possible - on an experimental basis, of course - to attach a single car unit to run as far as Yeoford and then be detached/attached to the Barnstaple-Exeter/Exmouth services?

No.

[Andy]

Would it be possible - on an experimental basis, of course - to attach a single car unit to run as far as Yeoford and then be detached/attached to the Barnstaple-Exeter/Exmouth services?

No.

Very informative. Thanks.

[John R]

If you're going to allocate a single unit to the branch then it might as well run all the way to Exeter on it's own given you've got to crew it separately anyway.

First problem is that the junction is at Crediton, not Yeoford. I suspect the signalling there would need amending to allow the calling on of units when the platform is already occupied. So capital cost involved for an experiment.

Splitting and joining takes time, at least 5 minutes, thus increasing journey times on the Barnie line. (You have to let passengers off, reclose the doors, pull forward, connect up, do various tests, reopen doors etc). It introduces performance risk on a single track branch, and on paths through Exeter and onto Exmouth.

Thus, it's a non-starter. 

[Andy]

If you're going to allocate a single unit to the branch then it might as well run all the way to Exeter on it's own given you've got to crew it separately anyway.

First problem is that the junction is at Crediton, not Yeoford. I suspect the signalling there would need amending to allow the calling on of units when the platform is already occupied. So capital cost involved for an experiment.

Splitting and joining takes time, at least 5 minutes, thus increasing journey times on the Barnie line. (You have to let passengers off, reclose the doors, pull forward, connect up, do various tests, reopen doors etc). It introduces performance risk on a single track branch, and on paths through Exeter and onto Exmouth.

Thus, it's a non-starter. 

Thanks, John R - for your patience as well as the answer. I understand now why the idea is a non-starter as a way to reintroduce a daily service from Okehampton, be it experimental or not. Is the junction on the Exeter or the Yeoford side of Crediton? If a second platform can be recommissioned, maybe the new owners of the Dartmoor railway could try to run a connecting service as an experiment - or maybe there are obvious obstacles to that, too. 
 
 

[gaf71]

The junction is at coleford, barnstaple side of crediton, but the crossover is at crediton about 4 (ish) miles away. So it would need new points, and crossover near yeoford to enable a shuttle, if you had it attached to another unit. (not to mention two sets of traincrew)

[John R]

The new owners may be the best bet, as they seem quite enthusiastic, particularly about their other operation in the North East.

[Andy]

Here's hoping that an initiative does surface as if we can get successful Tavistock/Plymouth + Exeter/Okehampton ventures up and running,  there would be a greater likelihood of reconnecting the missing link, thereby providing Devon with an orbital railway for commuters and a secondary route to London Waterloo. 

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Would it be possible - on an experimental basis, of course - to attach a single car unit to run as far as Yeoford and then be detached/attached to the Barnstaple-Exeter/Exmouth services?

No.

Very informative. Thanks.

 i think he means no units available but im glad that someone is trying to be positive thankyou andy

[Btline]

Right:

Get some loco and coaches from Long M.

Use these to replace several 158 diagrams.

Give the 158s to SWT^▸ (South West Trains).

SWT can extend to Oakhamton.

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Right:

Get some loco and coaches from Long M.

Use these to replace several 158 diagrams.

Give the 158s to SWT^▸ (South West Trains).

SWT can extend to Oakhamton.

Omg I like it!

[gaf71]

Right:

Get some loco and coaches from Long M.

Use these to replace several 158 diagrams.

Give the 158s to SWT^▸ (South West Trains).

SWT can extend to Oakhamton.

Unlikely as soon SWT won't be going past Exeter St. Davids!
Omg I like it!