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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2009, 18:20:45 » |
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I will be travelling on XC▸ next week, and will report back.
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2009, 19:12:19 » |
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No, I am going North in the morning and South in the afternoon. The HSTs▸ do the opposite, and as they are based in the North, I'll be very lucky if I get one. I have picked a seat with a good view on the old layout. So fingers crossed it is not a refurb Voyager!  |
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2009, 19:34:10 » |
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No, I am going North in the morning and South in the afternoon. The HSTs▸ do the opposite, and as they are based in the North, I'll be very lucky if I get one. I have picked a seat with a good view on the old layout. So fingers crossed it is not a refurb Voyager! Don't get me started on the stupid timings of the HSTs!! |
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2009, 20:02:39 » |
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Don't get me started on the stupid timings of the HSTs▸ !!
They do at least allow 8 HST journeys to pass through Birmingham each day, this would be not be the case if some had to start at the South West. This is however of does not benefit like myself that are going north from the South West in all cases. How Virgin were ever allowed to get away with ordering 4 coach underfloor engine DMUs▸ that were clearly not up to the job of running an intercity service from Plymouth to Edinburgh, I don't know. |
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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2009, 20:07:21 » |
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And (sorry for saying it again) did Virgin really need those 5 Voyagers from XC▸ ?
If Chester could have its off peak service reduced to 2 hourly, there could be more double Voyagers.
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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2009, 20:28:42 » |
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Why Didn't Virgin Hire and Refurb LHCS▸ , using their 57's to haul it..? Then we would have more voyagers. Alternatively why don't XC▸ Hire LHCS and some 67's and give it a similar refurb to the HST▸ ? IMO▸ it would be quite popular  |
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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2009, 20:38:30 » |
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Why Didn't Virgin Hire and Refurb LHCS▸ , using their 57's to haul it..?
If they are going to use LHCS, they may as well use an electric loco rather than running a diesel under the wires on a completely electrified route. |
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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2009, 20:40:59 » |
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Why Didn't Virgin Hire and Refurb LHCS▸ , using their 57's to haul it..?
If they are going to use LHCS, they may as well use an electric loco rather than running a diesel under the wires on a completely electrified route. This is true, but using their 57's would be cheaper because they are already paying for them, Also they can operate to places where the overhead wires don't go e.g. Holyhead |
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« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2009, 21:34:53 » |
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Exactly, XC▸ need the Voyagers a lot more than VT▸ !
The gov should recognise this.
Hopefully, the Pendolino order will enable some Voyagers to be transferred across.
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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2009, 23:22:08 » |
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There is a very good reason why Virgin need Super Voyagers, because they need 125mph tilting stock to operate on the WCML▸ with the new high-frequency timetable.
I know they are planning to use a set of Mk3s for a Friday-only relief to Preston but at the moment Cargo-D can't supply the stock as W&S▸ still hasn't got its own Mk3s in service and it isn't going to leave Euston until 18.46 in order to path it at 110mph non-tilt amid after the main peak rush.
There aren't enough trains to go around full stop, as we know full well in FGW▸ land. And I wait to see what cunning plan they have for the summer once the Adelantes have gone - silly me, that would be a grubby Turbo to Oxford and the Cotswolds, wouldn't it? Another lousy day for HST▸ availability, with 180s on the 15.51 PAD» to Worcester, 15.48 Cheltenham and 17.51 Worcester (booked duty) The Worcester pair were on Oxford/Cotswold services all day.
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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2009, 11:21:22 » |
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And (sorry for saying it again) did Virgin really need those 5 Voyagers from XC▸ ?
If Chester could have its off peak service reduced to 2 hourly, there could be more double Voyagers.
What, you mean take trains away to give to a service that doesn't even serve London? How absurd! All those silly people who can't squeeze on a Voyager at Birmingham should simply travel to London instead!  |
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« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2009, 11:52:24 » |
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all London routes should be taken off the franchise scheme and given to private companys to invest and make money on them but they need strict regulation see what happens when toc's see all there profits things would finally improve!
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« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2009, 12:41:07 » |
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all London routes should be taken off the franchise scheme and given to private companys to invest and make money on them but they need strict regulation see what happens when toc's see all there profits things would finally improve!
No, all routes should in public ownership and not run for the benefit of shareholders. If you have a private company running them, profit will always come before service. |
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