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Wessex crew often say occasionally late NEVER EARLY leaving too early is disciplinable...... Personally I was taught to drive by a true professional who sayd anyone can arrive early it takes skill to arrive on time.
When I notice or experience extra running time I adjust my approach speed accordingly as the TM‡ is often busy and distracted and used to "in and out" schedules, working as a team is essential! Also if I notice TM giving ready to start before time I contact/signal TM, again Team Work..... The TM is only telling the driver station duties complete and train safe and secure for departure ............ it takes two to leave early !
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2010, 19:50:30 » |
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I went to Plymouth today. I returned to Newton Abbot on the 17:23 XC▸ Voyager. This was due to leave Newton Abbot at 18:03. We arrived at 18:00 and at 18:01 the dispatch procedure started. The train manager didn't seem to look at the clock and the train started moving at 18:02. This must be a bit unfair on anyone that arrived on the platform at the last minute.
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2010, 19:54:03 » |
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Shouldn't happen but occasionally does. I've seen DOO▸ trains despatched from Oxford fully 3 minutes early before now. Possible that this had been ordered by control for some reason, but if not it's just sloppy operating and there's no excuse for it.
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2010, 21:34:39 » |
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I've previously reported here trains leaving Nailsea up to 3 minutes early when they are booked (for some strange reason which I could never work out) to dwell for longer than normal there.
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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2010, 03:23:59 » |
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2010, 14:20:27 » |
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2010, 15:34:30 » |
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Same for Redland station - which only has one platform! |
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2010, 17:30:42 » |
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As the station staff use the bat or bardic lamp to say "platform duties complete" to the guard, I would have thought the guard should still check the clock and refuse to accept dispatch for an early departure.
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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2010, 13:49:29 » |
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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2010, 23:58:29 » |
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Though of course 'doors will be closed 1 minute/30 seconds before departure' technically means that the train has left early for those who cannot get on last minute.
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2010, 02:05:19 » |
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I hope this doesn't open up a whole can of worms, but actually (and it's always been this way) the departure time of a train is exactly that - the time at which is it scheduled to depart, pull out, leave, etc. It does not indicate the last opportunity for boarding.
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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2010, 13:03:23 » |
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I hope this doesn't open up a whole can of worms, but actually (and it's always been this way) the departure time of a train is exactly that - the time at which is it scheduled to depart, pull out, leave, etc. It does not indicate the last opportunity for boarding.
Ut oh... Good luck Seriously though, we are now up to 40 seconds dispatch time, so in theory a train can easily be leaving before the seconds hit :00, so it is invariably I would have thought that a train could be showing departed "1 Early" when it's only seconds. As for the 2 minute early example at Andover, I can only assume an error on the Guards part. |
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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2010, 13:10:16 » |
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As for the 2 minute early example at Andover, I can only assume an error on the Guards part.
Or possibly an erroneous report. Locations which rely on manual reports from signallers are occasionally wrong due to the signaller entering the wrong time, and even some automatic reports can be dubious as some signal sections don't lend themselves well to reporting the exact time of departure, especially when there's no signal at the end of the platform. Banbury was always a case in point there as I believe the automatic report was based on the time the train passed the second signal after the up/bay platform (the section signal onto the mini-panel which covers the Aynho Junction area) with a 2-minute deduction added to allow for the time taken to reach that signal. |
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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2010, 20:18:15 » |
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The fact is though that the dispatch procedure for the train I talked about above was started at 18:01 when the train was due to leave at 18:03, so anyone arriving at this time would have been unable to board. I could understand someone arriving at 18:02 missing the train due to the need to start the procedure to ensure an on time departure but that was not the case this time.
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