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« on: April 13, 2009, 11:25:49 »

Minister to cross Britain by rail 
 
Frustrated commuters will get direct access to Transport Minister Lord Adonis when he embarks upon a six-day rail voyage across Britain. The minister will board the Paddington to Truro sleeper on Easter Monday - armed with his laptop and a ^375 standard class Rail Rover ticket.

On Saturday he will reach York after a 2,200-mile trip taking him as far north as Inverness. Lord Adonis says he wants "first-hand experience" of the rail service.
 
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THE ADONIS EXPRESS
Monday night: London to Truro
Tuesday: Truro to Newquay via Par. On to Exeter, Yeovil, Wareham, Bournemouth and Brighton
Wednesday: Brighton, Ashford International, Margate, Gillingham, Gravesend, Tilbury, Upminster, Romford, Ipswich and Norwich
Thursday: Norwich to Peterborough, Birmingham, Chester, Crewe, Manchester, Preston and Carlisle
Friday: Carlisle to Newcastle via Middlesbrough and Darlington. Then on to Inverness via Edinburgh and Falkirk
Saturday: Inverness to Edinburgh via Aberdeen before ending the tour with a visit to the National Railway Museum in York

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 12:11:18 »

Who is paying. Tax payer

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 12:17:55 »

Well, of course the taxpayer is picking up the (very moderate) bill.

Would you want a Minister who is ignorant of the far reaches of the railway system like many I could name?

If you had to take a journey in order to do your job properly, would you expect to have to pay for it yourself?

Come on, now
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 12:33:13 »

What a great idea. I'm starting to be VERY impressed with this guy.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 13:58:42 »

Well, of course the taxpayer is picking up the (very moderate) bill.

Very moderate train fare bill, although I just can't believe he is doing this on his own - at the very least there are almost bound to be civil service PR (Public Relations) minders along, they can't allow him to accidentally announce 1300 carriages when he meant 1000 for instance...

Maybe not quite so moderate 'ministerial standard' overnight hotel accomodation for him and the team, when he isn't within overnight reach of London though?

Nonetheless - a well intended and hopefully useful exercise, whatever it costs is trivial in comparison to the overall DfT» (Department for Transport - about) budget.

As an aside - has anyone else noticed that the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) seem to find it impossible to use the word 'passenger' nowadays? Call me a traditionalist, but 'commuter' is a subset of passenger isn't it?


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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 14:07:44 »

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A spokesman said: "Andrew is travelling solo and is happy for commuters to chat to him."

so perhaps "commuter" v "passenger" came from the DfT» (Department for Transport - about). Could it be that he's looking to learn about the lot of the regular traveller rather than travellers in general, and the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) simply mirrored this.

I'm delighted that he's travelling around to see some services - great in principle; I suppose we could pick around the edges and question some elements of his route, such as a lot of distance in Scotland when (as I understand it) it's the Scottish Parliament not the DfT that hold prime responsibility there.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 18:09:21 »

What a great idea. I'm starting to be VERY impressed with this guy.
Same here, but usually when someone decent is in some form of power then they get rid of them!
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 22:38:35 »

I shared small bit of tube carriage with LU's Chief Operating Officer a couple of weeks ago.  It's nice to see these people do actually get out and use the services for themselves.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 13:05:08 »

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A spokesman said: "Andrew is travelling solo and is happy for commuters to chat to him."

so perhaps "commuter" v "passenger" came from the DfT» (Department for Transport - about). Could it be that he's looking to learn about the lot of the regular traveller rather than travellers in general, and the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) simply mirrored this.

My mistake Grahame, I was generalising really, it isn't just this story.  Over a period of years, I have found normal BBC usage has been 'commuter' when they should be using passenger.  This sort of thing: "Delays at Rugby on Saturday caused misery [1] for Glasgow to London commuters"...   Sad

[1] another overused word nowadays...

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 13:16:54 »

'Misery', 'Chaos' and 'Commuter' - if anyone can find a negative rail story that doesn't use at least two out of those three words then they're doing well. Triple word scores are all too common too!
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 13:35:35 »

In one of Gerry Fiennes' books he mentions that when he was the General Manager of Eastern Region (i.e. a long time ago - 1950s, 60s) the London evening press used the stock headline "Chaos at Liverpool Street" whenever there was a slow news day on!

Adonis does seem to be doing an excellent job so far: he seems to be a rail minister with a real interest, enthusiasm and flair for his job, not to mention knowledge which has been sadly lacking in previous incumbents. I read yesterday that in his youth he was involved in the campaign to keep the Cotswold line open (by conducting passenger counts on BR (British Rail(ways))'s trains to contradict their falsely low figures) which doesn't surprise me.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 13:52:01 »

Interesting.... anything coming up from PNZ-EXD» (Exeter St Davids - next trains) today has been rammed packed!
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 21:01:37 »

Yes, it's interesting that Lord Adonis' extended excursion is taking place in the school holidays: that may perhaps skew the impression he gains of the train service as experienced by 'regular commuters', as distinct from 'passengers' generally?

Indeed, on my local train from Nailsea into Bristol this morning, and on the return journey this evening, there were a lot of teenagers who were obviously not frequent travellers on that particular part of the line.

(I've no problem with that, by the way: they were all well behaved! Wink )
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 22:06:54 »

I doubt that it was deliberately scheduled around holiday periods - there must have been few options available when the Minister wasn't required for a whole week in some capacity or other.

My only criticism is that the schedule has been circulated (and presumably the TOC (Train Operating Company)'s have had access to what trains he is scheduled to catch?). If that's the case then strings might be pulled to make sure those trains are given special treatment by management - no short forms, a well stocked buffet, a good clean, a fitter on-board just in case of problems - the standard stuff whenever a high profile passenger travels.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 23:05:02 »

But if they didn't know, I'm sure there are some TOCs (Train Operating Company) out there that would throw their toys out of the pram if he went unannounced - not that they would admit it in public - even if he does have a valid All-Line Rover.

I'm sure you're right about the scheduling - the only other times he would realistically get the chance to be out and about for a week would be around Christmas and over the summer - and this week is a lot more normal for rail travel than those times. A lot of people only take a long weekend off for Easter (or not in my case Cry Cry), so he will meet lots of regular commuters and business passengers, as well as occasional travellers, who may only use rail for a family day out in the holidays.
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