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Author Topic: 'Rail fares puzzle', from the Telegraph's columnist Gill Charlton (15/01/2010)  (Read 8980 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2010, 22:50:06 »

I can get railcard discount on weekend first upgrades!!??

You can get a FC(resolve) discount on a student railcard, but AFAIK (as far as I know) it's only on First Off Peak Day Returns and First Advance... I believe Family and Friends Railcard is the same thing (open to correction)...

Weekend First and First Advance are the only fares eligible for 16-25 railcard discount, according to the railcard website.

I'm sure FA knows she isn't entitled to discounts on weekday walk up fares, it just surprises me she keeps advertising it on here...

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2010, 23:40:45 »

I can get railcard discount on weekend first upgrades!!??

NO you can not get any railcard discount on weekend first
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2010, 23:51:29 »

You can get a FC(resolve) discount on a student railcard, but AFAIK (as far as I know) it's only on First Off Peak Day Returns and First Advance... I believe Family and Friends Railcard is the same thing (open to correction)...

Weekend First and First Advance are the only fares eligible for 16-25 railcard discount, according to the railcard website.

I'm sure FA knows she isn't entitled to discounts on weekday walk up fares, it just surprises me she keeps advertising it on here...

Paul

And you know why I do it?

1. Because I think its not right that pensioners get the discount but students dont

2. 95% of FGW (First Great Western) staff know its not valid but if the machine says ok - then its ok - I make sure I point it out but they still sell it .............. I know Graham wont like this but if it came to court on the basis of the above, I'll take my day

3. If they close the looop hole great - let them , then I'll pay up - just like when they brought in IR35 (google it) I paid an accountant rather than DIY - I'm no worse off............

I think we have been over this before you have a rail card which you know you are not entitled to have and get discounts which you also know you are not entitled to receive.  You are skating on thin ice - look what happened to this couple who found a cash machine which was giving them out money and not debiting their account:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/21/cash-machine-theft-essex

They now both have a criminal record.  You could say they were just using a loophole. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2010, 23:59:40 »

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Here we go again. <yawn>
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2010, 12:10:15 »

I can get railcard discount on weekend first upgrades!!??

NO you can not get any railcard discount on weekend first

It says this on the 16-25 railcard site:
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Sorry, you can't get your Railcard discount on:
^Season tickets including Travelcard Season tickets
^Eurostar tickets
^First Class fares (except Weekend First and First Class Advance for some train companies, as outlined above)
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Which in hindsight could easily mean 'NO train companies' just as easily...

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2010, 13:24:53 »

I think we have been over this before you have a rail card which you know you are not entitled to have and get discounts which you also know you are not entitled to receive.  You are skating on thin ice - look what happened to this couple who found a cash machine which was giving them out money and not debiting their account:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/21/cash-machine-theft-essex

They now both have a criminal record.  You could say they were just using a loophole. 

Perhaps, but what FA is doing isn't as clear cut as the cash machine situation.  As soon as the staff are in on the scam and tacitly condoning it ("I didn't think you are allowed this, but computer says yes so I'll sell you one") the legal and moral situation becomes alot muddier.  Much more like realising the bank was giving you free money and telling them this only to be told by bank staff "don't worry about it".

In the days when I had a YP railcard and Bath Spa had a Travel Centre selling large format tickets, one of the machines in the Bath Travel Centre would apply the RC discount differently to the others and the discounted fare to London which I used to buy twice a week would come out 5p too cheap (or the tickets from the other machines were 5p too expensive - I never found out which).  One member of staff in particular would sometimes get up from her seat and walk to "cheaper" machine that wasn't being used to do my ticket.  I never asked for this but she did it a least a handful of times.   Always with a comment like "every little helps" or "stupid computers".  Should I have made a fuss and demanded to see her manager?   
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