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« Reply #1605 on: April 10, 2013, 08:28:59 »

I've just seen this on the FGW (First Great Western) website:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/compticket/

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You might be entitled to receive one complimentary weekend open return ticket with First Great Western (Standard or First Class, depending on your existing Season Ticket held). Please register your details online by midnight 14th April 2013. If you qualify we will send your PIN details to your registered email address by 28th April 2013. The complimentary ticket needs to be purchased by 6th July 2013 and used for travel by 29th September 2013.



As a follow up to this post I've noticed that FGW have changed the submission template.  Last week when I tried it asked me for my photocard ID, but rejected anything that contained alphanumeric characters - which prevents you from entering your photocard ID.  Skills.  I've just been back to reenter my details and you no longer need to enter this data.
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« Reply #1606 on: April 10, 2013, 14:41:04 »

Noticed some track recovery going on this morning, the western double track approach route down to the lower level of the depot (where it crosses the separate Cow Lane steel bridge) appeared to be disappearing pretty fast.   I guess that bridge isn't going to last much longer...

The relevant area can also be seen on webcam 04 tab 1.

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« Reply #1607 on: April 10, 2013, 17:22:34 »

...cough.  Gentlemen they are CURVES not BENDS.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I know, I know. It drives me round the curve.
You can get around it quickly with a little cant  Shocked  Cheesy  Grin
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« Reply #1608 on: April 10, 2013, 19:34:35 »

...cough.  Gentlemen they are CURVES not BENDS.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I know, I know. It drives me round the curve.
You can get around it quickly with a little cant  Shocked  Cheesy  Grin

...unless you suffer from cant deficiency.....


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« Reply #1609 on: April 10, 2013, 20:34:29 »

I  don't think this discussion is turning out well.
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« Reply #1610 on: April 10, 2013, 20:37:13 »

I  don't think this discussion is turning out well.

I agree - I think it's going off at a tangent (be fair mods, as least we have moved on from the bovine and urine puns)
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« Reply #1611 on: April 10, 2013, 21:32:27 »

It's raining hard in Reading tonight - with a stiff breeze.
I have just caught the local stopper to Oxford.

The gap at the top of the transfer deck, where the platform canopy, goes up and over was letting the rain in. Lines of water where visible on the floor and the little yellow slip hazard signs were appearing as I descended to the platform

Crazy ! A peice of cheapo Perspex would do more to keep out the weather - the wire grills are ridiculous !

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« Reply #1612 on: April 10, 2013, 21:35:30 »

Crazy ! A peice of cheapo Perspex would do more to keep out the weather - the wire grills are ridiculous !

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if those grills are replaced with something more substantial, as whenever it rains and the wind is blowing water comes through and creates slipping hazards, as well as being uncomfortable.
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« Reply #1613 on: April 10, 2013, 23:16:26 »

This was the scene this evening with the wind blowing the rain onto the London side of the transfer deck.




Several Network Rail staff were making frequent visits armed with mops.

I am pretty sure I saw of those "next fastest train to" displays by the new southern gateline.

I was right - there are two on each side of the southern gateline

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« Reply #1614 on: April 11, 2013, 10:14:45 »

Ah right, I was thinking of a different format display, which has significantly more stations listed by time and allocated platform, but in alphabetical order.  At Basingstoke it has 3 columns of at least 20 stations.

I wish I could find a picture of the 'orange LED' type online, but I found a similar (slightly older) device at East Croydon - the difference with this one is that the destinations are permanently attached, with only time and platform info changing.  But the key thing is they show 175 separate destinations there:

http://www.datadisplayuk.com/croydon-led-departure-boards

PS I did a bit more digging and found this on the manufacturer's website:

http://www.infotec.co.uk/uploads/news/id5/south-west-trains.jpg

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« Reply #1615 on: April 11, 2013, 10:22:40 »

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if those grills are replaced with something more substantial, as whenever it rains and the wind is blowing water comes through and creates slipping hazards, as well as being uncomfortable.

Its not just the transfer deck itself, the uncovered stairs and escalators will end up in a right state after a winter (or summer judging by the year so far!) of abuse. Why on earth they are not enclosed at the sides is beyond me.

They did exactly the same at Twyford when they installed the new footbridge, the stairs were exposed... for a couple of weeks before the old (new) railings were replaced with solid panels and windows all the way up.

Still, at least it looks nice.
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« Reply #1616 on: April 11, 2013, 10:28:04 »

When I was at Reading station on Thursday 4th April, light snow was blowing onto the steps and escalators on platforms 14/15.  Surely the lack of protection from the elements of these steps and escalators could cause problems when the weather is more severe.
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« Reply #1617 on: April 11, 2013, 10:43:31 »


Why on earth they are not enclosed at the sides is beyond me.


I'd venture a guess that it's all part of some 'green' idea that they'll just use entirely natural ventilation.  If those grilles were made more watertight then they'd probably have to add fans or something...

I wonder if the design statement mentions it at all? 

Later...  Although I found a simple reference to 'natural ventilation', I found no detailed analysis so far; but it's a safe bet it's somewhere in the overall planning documentation - no doubt some architect or other thinks it's a brilliant idea.

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« Reply #1618 on: April 11, 2013, 11:40:47 »


The reason for the grilles is of course for natural ventilation, needed partly for breathing but mostly to control odour and thermal gains. In the summer with air temperatures at c28C, with the sun falling on the glass and all those internal heat gains from people and gizmos....the transfer deck would be really cozy. Also, in winter the area would be classed as open and therefore unheated. Grilles should have rain screens (not NASA technology) but the proper solution is to provide more shelter through an overhanging roof. This also cuts out direct sun, the cause of discomfort, the diffuse component being adequate for daylighting.

What it means is that the station should have had more of an overall roof - a train shed - covering the escalators and perhaps a car length either side.

The new Leeds City Station is an example of what should have been done.

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« Reply #1619 on: April 11, 2013, 12:00:02 »


Why on earth they are not enclosed at the sides is beyond me.


I'd venture a guess that it's all part of some 'green' idea that you they'll just use entirely natural ventilation.  If those grilles were made more watertight then they'd probably have to add fans or something...

I wonder if the design statement mentions it at all?

Paul

Yes, the D&A statement does explicitly refer to natural ventilation. That's obviously got to be a good idea, in terms of minimising CO2 production by obviating the need for more electricity generation, but the actual implementation of that fine principle has been woeful - surely, the primary requirement of any building, whether it's ventilated naturally or mechanically, is that it has to be weatherproof. Entirely predictably, the Transfer Deck is not.

I did have grave misgivings about the design when I saw it in the plans/elevations submitted for Planning but decided not to whinge about it here as that would just seem negative, though I did express my concerns recently about the apparently poor  navigability of the Deck and the total inadequacy of the signage. However, I think Grimshaw (the architects) and Network Rail (the clients) have really embarrassed themselves by producing a building whose functionality and fitness-for-purpose simply do not look like they have been properly thought through at all. I remember seeing in the Environmental Statement (I think) that the design-decisions about local wind conditions were based on readings taken at the Met Office weather station in Bracknell! Unbelieveable! This station was a long, long time in the planning - surely someone could have said at some point: "hang on, this section of the GWML (Great Western Main Line) is oriented exactly East-West, in a country with prevailing westerly/sou'westerly winds, and the existing station already suffers from having those winds howling directly through it; before designing the new station, perhaps we should therefore install anemometers on the existing building for a few years and take site-specific wind-readings to help inform our decision-making".

The idea of good architecture is to anticipate and design-out really basic problems such as potential weather ingress before one gets to Planning and certainly before getting to detailled design-drawing stage; dealing with them retrospectively in the way that NR» (Network Rail - home page) are now having to, ie with mops/buckets/slip-hazard signs, is just appalling, and makes them look amateurish. Which is a terrible shame, because this has otherwise been an incredibly impressive project so far. 

I have to say that the more I've read on this thread about the RSAR project, the more I've understood that it was west-of-Reading track-led, and that the re-configuration of the station was largely a necessary consequence of that (though I do acknowledge that the anticipated doubling of passenger numbers through Reading in the period to 2030 was also a massive driver); it does, therefore, seem to this layperson that the station re-design was almost an afterthought (I exaggerate, of course, for effect).

I'm so puzzled by how this weather-ingress situation was allowed to get to this stage, ie allowed to get right through many design iterations, and through the construction process when there was terrible weather, to the point that the building fails within a week of commissioning, and customers are posting photos of puddles and buckets. All the actors here are normally first-class at what they do: Grimshaw, Hotchieff/Costain, Network Rail, all excellent - so how has this been allowed to happen? How did this problem get through their respective (and joined-up) quality-assurance processes?

We all know that architecture/construction is always a compromise between aspiration and cost, but surely making your building weather-proof must always be on the "must-do" list rather than the "nice-to-do" list?           
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