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Author Topic: Crossrail - The Elizabeth Line - ongoing discussion, merged topics  (Read 297050 times)
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« Reply #1155 on: February 08, 2019, 12:11:29 pm »

Trying to work out where on that image where the (I assume reinstated) Chiltern Railway line from South Ruislip joins with the station. I would have thought there would be terminal bays for that service.
The latest drawings on the HS2 site somewhere show the tracks through the middle two of the four relief line platforms leading to future Crossrail turnback sidings, and these are curving away under the up relief and towards the direction of the Chiltern Line.  They might be able to be adapted for use by terminating trains.

But I donít think the NR proposals for Chiltern are anywhere near the level of detail to appear on architectural plans yet.

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« Reply #1156 on: February 08, 2019, 10:39:41 pm »

If I were WilkinsonEyre, I would not be happy that such a poor CGI image had been put out as part of the publicity for this high profile project. There are plenty of talented graphic artists and digital image creators who could produce something much better than this. How many different perspectives and directions of shadows can you see?
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« Reply #1157 on: February 08, 2019, 11:13:56 pm »

I find it odd that they are talking about starting construction later this year, and yet
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The high-speed platforms will be situated underground with an integrated connection to the adjoining conventional station at ground level via a stylish shared overbridge providing seamless connections between HS2 and Elizabeth line (Crossrail) trains, to Heathrow and central London. The current station design also includes the potential for provision of future services to Wales and the west of England from Old Oak Common.

In what way is the main Line half of the upper station or the GWR services using it only "potential"?
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« Reply #1158 on: February 08, 2019, 11:15:33 pm »

I find it odd that they are talking about starting construction later this year, and yet
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The high-speed platforms will be situated underground with an integrated connection to the adjoining conventional station at ground level via a stylish shared overbridge providing seamless connections between HS2 and Elizabeth line (Crossrail) trains, to Heathrow and central London. The current station design also includes the potential for provision of future services to Wales and the west of England from Old Oak Common.

In what way is the main Line half of the upper station or the GWR services using it only "potential"?
I think it is only potential that the services will actually stop there!
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« Reply #1159 on: February 08, 2019, 11:23:12 pm »

I find it odd that they are talking about starting construction later this year, and yet
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The high-speed platforms will be situated underground with an integrated connection to the adjoining conventional station at ground level via a stylish shared overbridge providing seamless connections between HS2 and Elizabeth line (Crossrail) trains, to Heathrow and central London. The current station design also includes the potential for provision of future services to Wales and the west of England from Old Oak Common.

In what way is the main Line half of the upper station or the GWR services using it only "potential"?
I think it is only potential that the services will actually stop there!

Also, it's worth remembering that HS2 are responsible for their station, but the rest is someone else's so they have to be careful not to act proprietorial. I guess that's so even when their statements appear on www.gov.uk. But whose is the station on the surface? It's not in the Crossrail Act, so Crossrail Ltd. have nothing to do with it. Presumably NR, with "help" from TfL?
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« Reply #1160 on: February 09, 2019, 08:26:18 am »

I find it odd that they are talking about starting construction later this year, and yet
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The high-speed platforms will be situated underground with an integrated connection to the adjoining conventional station at ground level via a stylish shared overbridge providing seamless connections between HS2 and Elizabeth line (Crossrail) trains, to Heathrow and central London. The current station design also includes the potential for provision of future services to Wales and the west of England from Old Oak Common.

In what way is the main Line half of the upper station or the GWR services using it only "potential"?
I think it is only potential that the services will actually stop there!

Also, it's worth remembering that HS2 are responsible for their station, but the rest is someone else's so they have to be careful not to act proprietorial. I guess that's so even when their statements appear on www.gov.uk. But whose is the station on the surface? It's not in the Crossrail Act, so Crossrail Ltd. have nothing to do with it. Presumably NR, with "help" from TfL?

Complications like this where multiple TOC and infrastructure owners join have been overcome many times before.  The key is to have the vision at concept and planning stages, make the provision in the design stage and crucially seek the agreement between the parties to approach it as a joint venture; that way funding can usually be secured.  The final owner and or operator will evolve in the process.
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« Reply #1161 on: February 09, 2019, 08:35:15 pm »

*Note to mods, why is the Crossrail thread in "Across the West", and not in "London to Reading" along with the 387 thread?

Hmm.  Roll Eyes

With my apologies for not picking this up before, I will now do so, and move the topic accordingly.

Today's Coffee Shop forum planning meeting in Westbury was an excellent opportunity for our established members to discuss such suggestions - please do let us know of any other apparent anomalies, and we'll try to resolve them.

Hope this helps.  CfN.  Wink

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« Reply #1162 on: February 10, 2019, 03:55:59 pm »

This has been posted elsewhere. Cab ride through part of the Central Section:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Crossrail/status/1092497089584611329

Crikey, the platforms are long.....
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« Reply #1163 on: February 10, 2019, 03:59:47 pm »

The underlying pictures are big and can be zoomed into close enough to read the labels on clothes - or to see that the artist of these impressions skived off his "track layout for architectural impressionists" course, and has a very hazy notion of which side of London Old Oak Common lies on.

Despite all of the other detail included in the pictures, there appears to be a distinct lack of any OLE which would obviously change the scene a fair bit, and is also rather - ummm - necessary!  Wink
Possibly a deliberate decision in order not to obscure the track layout and other detail?
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« Reply #1164 on: February 11, 2019, 10:11:06 pm »

This has been posted elsewhere. Cab ride through part of the Central Section:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Crossrail/status/1092497089584611329

Crikey, the platforms are long.....

It also shows peaking through the PED's how unready the station platforms seem to be
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« Reply #1165 on: Yesterday at 09:29:47 pm »

Watching the Crossrail program on BBC2 ... strikes me that everyone is saying things like "I have never worked on a project this big before" and "I have never worked with such tight clearances before".     Said to impress viewers with the size of the project perhaps, but hardly reassuring that it will all be ....
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« Reply #1166 on: Yesterday at 09:46:54 pm »

Watching the Crossrail program on BBC2 ... strikes me that everyone is saying things like "I have never worked on a project this big before" and "I have never worked with such tight clearances before".     Said to impress viewers with the size of the project perhaps, but hardly reassuring that it will all be ....

The TV program makes will always hang on words / phrases like these "I have never worked on a project this big before" and "I have never worked with such tight clearances before" its would not be catchy to say nah this just a typical day job, these clearances are generous.

Also its a fairly unique project, what is inexcusable is the misleading statements by the previous senior project directors on the progress
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