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« Reply #1530 on: May 01, 2022, 15:00:08 »

All going largely to plan so far it looks.
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« Reply #1531 on: May 04, 2022, 09:51:40 »

According to the London Reconnections team Crossrail will start operating on 24th May 2022 06:30 to 22:00 Mon-Sat.
Now confirmed by tfl and will initially be 12 trains an hour, and all stations except Bond Street will be open.
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« Reply #1532 on: May 04, 2022, 09:55:36 »

Confirmed here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7RcXq-8cOac
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« Reply #1533 on: May 04, 2022, 10:01:11 »

Finally a date:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61095510
Abbey Wood to Paddington initially no Sundays or Bond Street
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« Reply #1534 on: May 04, 2022, 10:01:55 »

According to the London Reconnections team Crossrail will start operating on 24th May 2022 06:30 to 22:00 Mon-Sat.
Well there was talk about it opening in time for the Jubilee weekend at the beginning of June but that went quiet with it opening in the Autumn. Managing expectations me thinks.

Anyway, really pleased  Smiley I look forward to using it aftered it’s opened when I’m next in London.
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« Reply #1535 on: May 04, 2022, 10:08:51 »

0630 to 2300 Monday - Saturday. Also on the Sunday of the Jubilee Holiday in June
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« Reply #1536 on: May 04, 2022, 11:55:00 »

Will I be able to travel from Maidenhead to Tottenham Court Rd without changing?
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« Reply #1537 on: May 04, 2022, 12:02:29 »

Not until sometime this autumn....

Trains from Reading / Heathrow will still terminate at Paddington where you would need to change to the Elizabeth Line platforms - which I suspect will be a long walk
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« Reply #1538 on: May 04, 2022, 15:09:41 »

A Paddington point is that this should introduce step free access to the Bakerloo Line via the Elizabeth Line lifts presuming that the connecting corridor will be opened. Just a struggle remains to the Praed Street District/Circle Lines platforms.
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« Reply #1539 on: May 04, 2022, 15:21:24 »

Well, only the westbound platform.....going East to Edgeware Road is accessible
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« Reply #1540 on: May 04, 2022, 15:23:39 »

This is TfL» (Transport for London - about)'s press release; see the full text for more detail about Sundays and bus routes etc.
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    Trains to run every five minutes 06:30 – 23:00 Monday to Saturday between Paddington and Abbey Wood

Transport for London (TfL) has today confirmed that, subject to final safety approvals, the Elizabeth line will open on Tuesday 24 May 2022. The Elizabeth line will transform travel across London and the South East by dramatically improving transport links, cutting journey times, providing additional capacity, and transforming accessibility with spacious new stations and walk-through trains. The Elizabeth line will initially operate as three separate railways, with services from Reading, Heathrow and Shenfield connecting with the central tunnels from autumn this year.

In the coming weeks, Elizabeth line signage will continue to be uncovered across the network in preparation for the start of customer service. The updated Tube and Rail map will also be released later showing the new central section stations connected with the rest of the TfL network for the first time.
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The Elizabeth line will operate 12 trains per hour between Paddington and Abbey Wood from Monday to Saturday 06:30 to 23:00. Work will continue in engineering hours and on Sundays to allow a series of testing and software updates in preparation for more intensive services from the autumn.

All services between Reading and Heathrow to Paddington and Shenfield to Liverpool Street, currently operating as TfL Rail, will be rebranded to the Elizabeth line. Customers travelling between Reading or Heathrow into London will need to change at Paddington for services into the central section of the route, and customers from Shenfield into London will need to change at Liverpool Street. Services from Reading, Heathrow and Shenfield will connect with the central tunnels in autumn when frequencies will also be increased to 22 trains per hour in the peak between Paddington and Whitechapel.
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Changes will be made to 14 bus routes to improve links to Elizabeth line stations in east and south-east London, where many customers will use buses to get to and from stations. The changes will take effect from Saturday 14 and Saturday 21 May. This includes the new route 304, which will operate between Manor Park and Custom House stations from 21 May.
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    In order to provide a seamless passenger experience, contactless payments will be accepted across the Elizabeth line. While customers will need to touch out at Paddington and Liverpool Street to change to Elizabeth line services towards Reading/Heathrow and Shenfield, fare capping will be in place
    A special service will operate on Sunday 5 June for the Platinum Jubilee weekend. Services will run from approximately 08:00 – 22:00
    Services between Liverpool Street and Shenfield, and Paddington to Heathrow and Reading will continue to operate on Sundays as they do today aside from any planned weekend closures
    At Abbey Wood station some customers may want to use a manual boarding ramp to board Elizabeth line services. At Custom House station, wheelchair users should board the fifth carriage of Elizabeth line trains for level access
    More information about bus changes associated with the Elizabeth line are on the TfL website
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« Reply #1541 on: May 04, 2022, 18:46:03 »

.....and in the best railway tradition, billions of £ overspent & delivered years late!
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« Reply #1542 on: May 05, 2022, 07:49:26 »

.....and in the best railway tradition, billions of £ overspent & delivered years late!

Indeed, the delays and the degree of overspending are most regrettable but are unfortunately the norm.

My concerns are not primarily the the cost and delays, but how reliable will the service be. Both initially and later when the whole route operates every day and more frequently.

Despite the thorough sounding test running, I have a slight fear that expectations regarding reliability will not survive contact with real passengers, including ill controlled children, giant baby carriages, oversized luggage, and those who are simply drunk or stupid.
Possible issues may include
Train doors, always a weak point as there are so many of them, and one fault fails the train. Hard to test properly during empty test running.
Signaling failures, high risk due to the greater complexity of modern systems.
Fire alarms being so sensitive that disruptive evacuations are frequent. "you cant have too much safety"
And of course on the above ground sections we have the normal hazards of wind, rain, snow, electrification failures, theft of cables, vandalism, and exploding pigeons. Such issues are of course not unique to Crossrail, but I feel that such a complex system may take a long while to recover from such.

I suspect that the "no toilets" policy will be regretted with soiling of trains and stations, especially in the late evening. I have no faith whatsoever in station toilets being reliably available.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1543 on: May 05, 2022, 09:02:24 »

..and to think they worried the first passengers going through Box Tunnel would suffocate due to the speed they were travelling.
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« Reply #1544 on: May 05, 2022, 10:53:16 »

Despite the thorough sounding test running, I have a slight fear that expectations regarding reliability will not survive contact with real passengers, including ill controlled children, giant baby carriages, oversized luggage, and those who are simply drunk or stupid.
Possible issues may include
Train doors, always a weak point as there are so many of them, and one fault fails the train. Hard to test properly during empty test running.
Signaling failures, high risk due to the greater complexity of modern systems.
Fire alarms being so sensitive that disruptive evacuations are frequent. "you cant have too much safety"
And of course on the above ground sections we have the normal hazards of wind, rain, snow, electrification failures, theft of cables, vandalism, and exploding pigeons. Such issues are of course not unique to Crossrail, but I feel that such a complex system may take a long while to recover from such.

I suspect that the "no toilets" policy will be regretted with soiling of trains and stations, especially in the late evening. I have no faith whatsoever in station toilets being reliably available.

I expect there will be a few problems here and there as that's all part and parcel of a live railway, but...

* The trains have been in use for nearly five years now.  I think any serious issues with the doors would be apparent by now.  Why would one door fault fail the whole train?
* The extensive test running has been done to test the signalling system - the signals don't care whether there's passengers on board or not.  If there were serious concerns of the possibility of regular failures it wouldn't be opening yet.
* Disruptive evacuations don't seem to be too much of an issue at other underground stations, I don't see why Crossrail stations should be any different.  Other than the modern design will permit much quicker evacuation in the case of an emergency than traditional cramped tube stations.

I agree with regard to the lack of toilets.

However
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