Early Morning Service Formation

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[Louis94]

Hey,

Does anyone know what the following 2 morning services are formed from:
0533 Weymouth to Bristol Parkway
0640 Weymouth to Bristol Parkway

Many Thanks in advanced

Louis 

[tramway]

I can only say what they turn up at Trowbridge as, but the 05.33 is the 07.24d and has recently been 4 car 158/150 but can be 2 car at times, bit squashed from Trowbridge if that happens.

08.22 is pretty much always 2 car 150, full and sweating from Trowbridge.

[fatcontroller]

Louis,

Do you mean what are they formed of or from?

If it's the latter then they are formed of the last two services of the previous day into Weymouth.

[tramway]

If it's the latter then they are formed of the last two services of the previous day into Weymouth.

Which is fairly obvious else where would the stock come from.

One of which would have been a 158/7 as the 07.24d TRO^» (Trowbridge - next trains) was 4 car 158, I'm guessing that the additional 158 is attached at Westbury.

[Louis94]

Louis,

Do you mean what are they formed of or from?

If it's the latter then they are formed of the last two services of the previous day into Weymouth.

I mean what types of units are they formed of.

Its not that quite that simple regarding what they are formed from, as there are 2 arrivals before another departure in the evening.

1913 from Malvern
2008 from Gloucester
2021 to Bristol
2309 from Malvern

Confusing really, as there are a number of things that could happen. I'd of thought the 1913 from Malvern would stay as he is at the buffers end of the platform, then the 2008 from Gloucester forms the 2021 to Bristol.

[readytostart]

Confusing really, as there are a number of things that could happen. I'd of thought the 1913 from Malvern would stay as he is at the buffers end of the platform, then the 2008 from Gloucester forms the 2021 to Bristol.

Here is a copy and paste from Genius for tonight (I've deleted SWT^▸ (South West Trains) and departmental workings):
Id   Frm   To   Arr   Dep   Pl   Dly   Act   SAR
2O94   GMV   WEY   1911      1         
5O94   WEY   XGB      1958   1         
2O97   GCR^» (Gloucester - next trains)   WEY   2006      1         
5V94   XGB   WEY   2017      1         
2V94   WEY   BRI^» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains)      2021   1
2O98   GMV   WEY   2307      1   
(XGB = Weymouth Jersey Sidings)
I can't see any associated empty stock move for the 2006 or 2307 arrivals.

[Louis94]

Confusing really, as there are a number of things that could happen. I'd of thought the 1913 from Malvern would stay as he is at the buffers end of the platform, then the 2008 from Gloucester forms the 2021 to Bristol.

Here is a copy and paste from Genius for tonight (I've deleted SWT^▸ (South West Trains) and departmental workings):
Id   Frm   To   Arr   Dep   Pl   Dly   Act   SAR
2O94   GMV   WEY   1911      1         
5O94   WEY   XGB      1958   1         
2O97   GCR^» (Gloucester - next trains)   WEY   2006      1         
5V94   XGB   WEY   2017      1         
2V94   WEY   BRI^» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains)      2021   1
2O98   GMV   WEY   2307      1   
(XGB = Weymouth Jersey Sidings)
I can't see any associated empty stock move for the 2006 or 2307 arrivals.

Thanks very much readytostart. That makes sense now, a friend who lives in weymouth mentioned 2O94 going into the sidings, to allow 2O97 to stable for the night, and then 5V94 comes back in to form 2V94.

[fatcontroller]

If it's the latter then they are formed of the last two services of the previous day into Weymouth.

Which is fairly obvious else where would the stock come from.

One of which would have been a 158/7 as the 07.24d TRO^» (Trowbridge - next trains) was 4 car 158, I'm guessing that the additional 158 is attached at Westbury.

It's not necessarily obvious... I've seen (dare I say it!) dafter questions asked.
People ask questions because they would they like to know the answer. Obvious to one person is not necessarily obvious to everyone else.

Louis may have been genuinely asking where they came from; I don't know Louis so I don't know what level his knowledge of FGW^▸ (First Great Western) land is.

The way I read the message I took it as having one of two possibly interpretations which is why I then asked him which he meant. I'm not sure your stinging responce was so justified.

To drag this back on topic; to confirm your guess Tramway, yes, the additional set is attached at Westbury to provide peak capacity on the corridor into Bath and Bristol.

On the other note, as per the workings show, the 2008 and 2308 arrivals at Weymouth stable for the evening, the 1913 arrival shunts into Jersey Sidings to alllow the 2008 arrival. The reason for the shunt is because the 1913 arrival and subsequent 2021 departure is formed of a 3-car 158 which is required back at SPM^▸ (St Philip's Marsh (Bristol depot)) that evening. 158 starts its day from Fratton and works via Brighton, Malvern and Weymouth before finishing at Bristol.

[tramway]

I really must use the smileys a lot more FC^‡(resolve), it certainly wasn^t meant to be derogatory, more of throwaway comment before the additional info to confirm what stock actually turned up at TRO^» (Trowbridge - next trains) that morning. Probably should have been followed by a few of these,  or even these  it is far too easy to mis read posters intent if they aren^t included. 0 out of 10 for use of standard forum features, must try harder. 

This morning it was 158/150 which seems to be the more frequent of the formations, but it^s not my regular train. Again a guess is that the 150 was the Weymouth portion with the 158 waiting at the platform at Westbury.

Yes the OP^▸ (Original Poster / topic starter) comments could be interpreted different ways, although it would apear that Louis was after the stock diagrams of the previous evening trains, which I don^t think are generally available. I think we both gave Louis sufficient credit that if he was after the diagrams he would have asked for them, leaving the assumption that his orignal question wasn^t actually related to that.

Trying to work out diagrams from the PAX TT isn^t the best way to pass the time. 

[Timmer]

Are the two FGW^▸ (First Great Western) units stabled at the platforms at Weymouth overnight or are they moved to Jersey sidings?

[158747]

Are the two FGW^▸ (First Great Western) units stabled at the platforms at Weymouth overnight or are they moved to Jersey sidings?

They are stabled in platform overnight

[Juliebtm]

The 19:13 arrival from Great Malvern goes into the sidings until the 20:08 arrival from Gloucester. The 20:21 arrives from the sidings in front of the train from Gloucester. The 20:08 and 23:08 arrivals rest overnight on platform 1 and they leave the following morning at 05:33 to Bristol Parkway and 06:40 to Bristol Parkway. The 20:21 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads service is always formed of a 2 or 3 coach class 158 which is excellent as the 20:08 arrival is normally an Arriva Trains Wales class 150.