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Although not Class 150s it is understood that FGW▸ have started reforming 2 Coach 158s into 3 Car Sets but this is all part of the big picture. I have heard that 158960 and 158961 have been formed. However, yesterday on the 16 42 Gloucester to Weymouth I saw a Hybrid numbered 2 Coach 158. 1 Coach of 745 and 1 of 762 but unfortunately did note whether 52 or 57 coaces. The Set number on 745 was 952 but because the other was coupled to a 153 (LM▸ hire one !!) I was the wrong side to see the Set number.
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« Reply #106 on: June 16, 2011, 10:53:15 » |
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52762 was stopped at SPM▸ for repairs over last weekend, was due to be reformed into a 3-car sometime this week.
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« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2011, 11:46:32 » |
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Reformed Tuesday night back to 3-cars.
The other 5 2-car 158's (10-vehicles) will become 3 3-cars (9-vehicles) with one coach as an engineering spare to hopefully minimise the number of shortened 158's running about.
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« Reply #108 on: June 20, 2011, 23:24:56 » |
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Although not Class 150s it is understood that FGW▸ have started reforming 2 Coach 158s into 3 Car Sets but this is all part of the big picture. I have heard that 158960 and 158961 have been formed. However, yesterday on the 16 42 Gloucester to Weymouth I saw a Hybrid numbered 2 Coach 158. 1 Coach of 745 and 1 of 762 but unfortunately did note whether 52 or 57 coaces. The Set number on 745 was 952 but because the other was coupled to a 153 (LM▸ hire one !!) I was the wrong side to see the Set number.
Saw coach 57745 today at Cardiff carring set number 158952 and attached to a 2-car set (ie. forming one of the hybrid 3-car sets). I also saw a FGW's real class 158 centre car, numbered 58715. I assume that means it was once part of a 3-car 158 numbered 158715, am I right? However, today it was part of 158798. The other 5 2-car 158's (10-vehicles) will become 3 3-cars (9-vehicles) with one coach as an engineering spare to hopefully minimise the number of shortened 158's running about. I assume that means the one 4-car diagram that apears to be on Cardiff - Portsmouth at the moment (I saw one such train today) will be reduced to 3-car? |
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« Reply #109 on: June 21, 2011, 00:10:09 » |
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I also saw a FGW▸ 's real class 158 centre car, numbered 58715. I assume that means it was once part of a 3-car 158 numbered 158715, am I right? However, today it was part of 158798. No, centre car 58715 has always been part of unit 158798. Units 158798/799/800 had centre cars where the last three two digits of their number didn't match the unit number. |
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« Reply #110 on: June 21, 2011, 11:12:27 » |
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AIUI▸ from older platform 5 books the 158 centre car sequence is 58701-58717, the 'last three' numbers didn't match up with 2 and 7 cars as originally delivered, although 701-714 were originally in units 801-814 so the last two digits matched.
Units 798-800 contained 58715-717 as new.
Centre cars 58718-58739 were in the SWT▸ 159/0s as built, however none of the 159/0 individual vehicles fit the unit numbers because they follow on in sequence from the 158/0s, reflecting their as built condition.
Nowadays the various centre cars are nearly all moved into different units - SWT's renumbered 159/1s taking 8 of them seemingly at random...
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« Reply #111 on: June 21, 2011, 15:19:21 » |
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i can only tell you how network south east ended up with the class and that is for what ever reason too many were produced and the west of england line desperately needed new rolling stock, to be honest if the west of england line wasn't network south east these units probably would have been branded alphaline also
There was an electrification scheme on a Regional Railways route (think it might have been Birmingham Cross City) that meant that the three car Cummins 400 bhp sets 158873-895 were able to be released. The Tory MP▸ 's were getting worked up about indifferent locohauled trains on the Waterloo - Exeter line and a general election was fast approaching. They were not prepared to wait for the gangway ended class 165 derivative, notionally class 172. Gordon Pettit who was the main man at Regional Railways had been a BR▸ -Southern Region general manager in his time. The rest we all know as partially completed 158873-895 were packed off to Rosyth for conversion to 159/0. The coach numbers reflect the original class 158 set numbers. I was the PRO for NSE▸ SW at the time and it was ever so slightly different to this. As I remember it, the financial case for the class 172 couldn't be made to stack up. I was bag carrier at a Westminster meeting of the line's MPs (called by NSE) where Chris Green and Peter Field told them the situation and said they were looking to see what could be done and, let's just say, the MPs weren't happy. Robert Adley, the Christchurch MP who covered, I think, just one station, Gillingham, and an incandescent Paddy Ashdown particularly stick in the mind! The 3 car 158 solution emerged not too long after this and, as you say, I'm sure having Gordon Pettitt as Regional Railways head helped. The 3 car 158s were taken from the new build for the Transpennine route. |
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« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2011, 18:59:10 » |
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Passed what I believe were 150108 and 150126 at approx 10 55 this morning between Gloucester and Cheltenham this morning while travelling on XC▸ 09 45 Cardiff to Nottingham.
I understand they are initially coming to FGW▸ for Summer but possible staying as part of the Cascade now that they have been sent.
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« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2011, 20:38:40 » |
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Every prospect of that being the case, as LM▸ 172s are now passing the fault-free trial running benchmarks and a preview run is pencilled in for early next month, so passenger service next month looks a good bet - at long last.
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« Reply #114 on: July 26, 2011, 17:41:24 » |
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Just wondering if anybody has had any sightings yet of 150108 and 150126 in service ?
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« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2011, 09:08:28 » |
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Just wondering if anybody has had any sightings yet of 150108 and 150126 in service ?
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« Reply #116 on: July 28, 2011, 19:41:55 » |
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I have read on another Forum that they should commence service with FGW▸ on Monday next.
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« Reply #117 on: July 28, 2011, 19:55:29 » |
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i have read on uk railforums that 1 class 172 will be working a special on 2nd august from Stourbridge to Leamington.
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« Reply #118 on: July 28, 2011, 23:41:40 » |
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I've the timings.....as I should be on it :-)
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« Reply #119 on: July 29, 2011, 00:18:51 » |
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I've the timings.....as I should be on it :-)
Ok Please let us know how it goes |
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