Class 150/1 Revenue Protection

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[Phil]

I thought it was quite funny, actually

[smokey]

The chance of a train division is no different, and if the guard is in the front unit when it happens the separated rear portion will still have no staff in it.

It seems like a deeply illogical rule IMHO^▸ (in my humble opinion).

And an open end gangway door!

I had a eventful Journey as a Teenager on the Midland Main Line way back, on a Loco Hauled Train returning to my seat from the Buffet I walked past my seat, my friend throught it funny to see me walk on by and didn't say any thing.
Even he was alarmed to see me rush back through the carriage at a very fast pace to reappear with the Guard a minute or two later.

And I'll NEVER forget the Guard saying Well **** me when at the Rear of the rear coach I slid the sliding door open to reveal Nothingness rushing past at 90 MPH.
I can tell you......... it FOCUSES the MIND when you all most walk off the back of a Train.

[phile]

With the cascade of 150s to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) and Northern, I have realised that instances of multiple units without through access are rife on Northern Rail.     Combinations of 150/1s and Pacers with wither their own or another class are running round all day.   I am unable to offer and comments on Revenue Protection.

[inspector_blakey]

And I'll NEVER forget the Guard saying Well **** me when at the Rear of the rear coach I slid the sliding door open to reveal Nothingness rushing past at 90 MPH.

Not surprised he was bricking it! One of the guard's many checks when prepping a loco-hauled train for service is to ensure that the gangway doors at either end are locked (assuming this was mark I stock, using both the BR1 lock and the external bolt/french pin) - he could have been for the high-jump...

[northwesterntrains]

Combinations of 150/1s and Pacers with wither their own or another class are running round all day.   I am unable to offer and comments on Revenue Protection.

It can vary with Northern Rail.  Some services have an additional person on board to check/sell tickets on the front unit, others don't. 

What happens when there isn't an additional person varies as well.  Sometimes the rear unit is only opened for part of the journey.  Other times it's open for the full journey.  The former has the disadvantage of a delay part way through the journey while the rear unit is unlocked or locked up and passengers are told to move to the front unit.  The latter has the disadvantage of less passengers being asked for tickets.

With Northern there are also some out-of-use units attached to in service units in lieu of an ECS^▸ (Empty Coaching Stock) move.  For instance, the 14:25 Buxton to Manchester is a 156+150+150.  The 156 is used for the passengers, the two 150s on the rear are just there to get units back to Manchester Piccadilly in time for the evening peak.  In the event of there being a special event on meaning the 156 is packed the guard could open the middle 150 as well.  On the other hand the 16:51 Manchester Piccadilly to Buxton is 2x150s, both of these are used for passengers and the service is full and standing with a pair of 150s.

[phile]

Now that the December Timetable has bedded in and all the 150/1s arrived with FGW^▸ (First Great Western), is there any member who would like to comment of incidence of non-revenue protection.   I am more concerned with any 150/1s being diagrammed attached to another units.   In the past some members have stated that 150 Diagrams are just 150s and not 150/1s and 150/2s separately and others have mentioned sepatate diagrams.   Which is correct, please /    Happy Xmas and New Year to all members

[JayMac]

On Thurs 23rd December the 3 car diagram on the Severn Beach Line consisted of a 150/1 which, as we know, has no corridor connection, and a Class 153. Revenue protection wasn't an issue however as the service had both a Conductor and Assistant Ticket Examiner.

I assume that door control can be done from either unit, if the service is manned only by a Conductor (shout out to those who can confirm or deny....). So revenue protection shouldn't be too much of an issue as long as said Conductor regularly swaps between units.

[phile]

The Beach 3 Coach would be a 3 Ciach 150 when 121 and 127 so formed so no problem then.     Nice to see 3 coaches in the meantime as per your very comprehensive and useful list on the 150/1 Cascade thread.    There is some very useful information earlier in this thread re operating multiple sets so far as the Conductor is concerned.    Not being technically minded some of it was above me.