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« Reply #120 on: June 15, 2022, 09:49:35 » |
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Very limited distribution of fuel by rail these days. Most by pipeline to the distribution centres. I do not have the data.
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« Reply #121 on: June 15, 2022, 11:43:03 » |
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Very limited distribution of fuel by rail these days. Most by pipeline to the distribution centres. I do not have the data.
Wikipedia supports this view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_freight_in_Great_Britain |
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« Reply #122 on: June 15, 2022, 12:27:57 » |
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« Reply #123 on: June 15, 2022, 13:11:29 » |
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Thanks for the information, no need to panic.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #124 on: June 15, 2022, 15:25:43 » |
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Another way of looking at this is from data on gross flows of all oil products from DUKES 2018. All numbers are millions of tonnes of something in a year.
UK▸ refining gave 30 for domestic use (plus 28 exported), and imports were 35, totalling 65 for inland delivery. Road transport used 36 - more than half. That includes retail, for cars and other vehicles, plus other distribution routes.
From the GOS Foresight paper "Understanding the UK Freight Transport System", we find that the volume of petroleum products moved by rail was stable at about 5 from 2004 to 2017. That must include much of the stuff that can't be sent down a shared-use pipeline, so the amount of standard products like road vehicle and aircraft fuels must be much smaller.
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« Reply #125 on: June 15, 2022, 17:19:46 » |
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Intrigued by the smorgasbord of units in the Wikipedia article TonyK linked to - it mixes ancient and modern in the same column, or even cell. |
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« Reply #126 on: June 15, 2022, 18:20:54 » |
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Intrigued by the smorgasbord of units in the Wikipedia article TonyK linked to - it mixes ancient and modern in the same column, or even cell.
I didn't write it.  Had I done so, I would have in all likelihood opted for tonnes rather than tons, definitely mm for diameters, and kPa for pressure. That last is easily converted to bar or kNm 2 if preferred. Many of the pipelines were built in old money during WW2, a pipeline being harder to spot from a Heinkel than a train, but I should think there will be a formula to link capacity and flow rate to diameter which will be a darn sight easier if everything divides by 10. |
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« Reply #127 on: June 28, 2022, 01:22:27 » |
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I'm intrigued to discover the "Tranmere mile", 9 of which equal 24 kilometres.
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« Reply #128 on: March 21, 2023, 13:08:56 » |
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The broadgage strategic petrol reserve may again be needed. A number of local filling stations are now out of fuel. https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/19607888.live-panic-buying-brings-petrol-shortages-somerset/I am not aware of any underlying reason for the reported shortages, seems to be simply panic buying as reported. There is however a planned strike by some tanker drivers latter this month. That could lead to actual reductions in supply and to significant shortages. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
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« Reply #129 on: March 21, 2023, 13:17:01 » |
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Discount for forum members BG▸ ?   |
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« Reply #130 on: March 21, 2023, 14:13:53 » |
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Undated, so not immediately obvious, but I think that's an article from 2021.
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« Reply #131 on: March 21, 2023, 15:43:44 » |
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Undated, so not immediately obvious, but I think that's an article from 2021.
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Quite possibly, but my search for relevant on-line news reports was prompted by BBC» local radio reporting that a number of filling stations were out of fuel. The radio reports were definitely current news. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
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« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2023, 09:10:11 » |
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Discount for forum members BG▸ ? Possibly, but I do not normally require any payment, instead I request that that the person receiving the petrol replaces it after the emergency, at whatever the market price is then prevailing. |
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« Reply #133 on: July 21, 2023, 22:45:22 » |
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We've not seen any problems at all at our local filling station...  To quote an old adage, if you can't beat a Red Squirrel, you should join a Red Squirrel.  |
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« Reply #134 on: July 25, 2023, 05:20:11 » |
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Strike at oil refinery, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66223036Time to prepare perhaps. If those striking get what they want, then I expect more such disputes "if they won XX% we want the same, or a bit more" If the strikers do not achieve their aims then I expect a prolonged dispute. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
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